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[LoneSpymaster]

The Division doesn’t make sense as it doesn’t belong to the main Tom Clancy timeline.

What do I expect? PVE: At least New Game Plus (both main game and dlc) and the ability to lock certain perks on Fallen Ghosts.

PVP: A new game mode that actually allows for teamwork, like conflict for GRFS, because right now there are cero benefits for playing as a team.

Now on crossover, I would love to see Cedric Ferguson (Ghost Lead) and his Ghost team aka Kozak/30K/Pepper to be involved somehow or at least Capt. Mitchell and Joe Ramirez, it would be awesome to see them back.

On cosmetics, I would love to see some stuff from GRFS and GR Phantoms, but I’m happy if they give us at least the “Ghost” balaclava (the one Kozak uses)

Man I'm waiting for that H.A.W.X crossover

but if I'm being serious i'd love a Rainbow Six crossover just to know that ghost recon is in the Ryanverse

H.A.W.X doesn’t make sense as a crossover because the type of the operation doesn’t allow it. That’s why we don’t see them at any point of this game unlike previous games. Maybe on the next one.

Rainbow Six however can be involved, if White Masks came to Bolivia with some chemical weapons. Like on the Article 5 mission of RB Siege. Imagine the cool gear that would come out of that.

[crowlecj]

The Division doesn’t make sense as it doesn’t belong to the main Tom Clancy timeline.

What do I expect? PVE: At least New Game Plus (both main game and dlc) and the ability to lock certain perks on Fallen Ghosts.

PVP: A new game mode that actually allows for teamwork, like conflict for GRFS, because right now there are cero benefits for playing as a team.

Now on crossover, I would love to see Cedric Ferguson (Ghost Lead) and his Ghost team aka Kozak/30K/Pepper to be involved somehow or at least Capt. Mitchell and Joe Ramirez, it would be awesome to see them back.

On cosmetics, I would love to see some stuff from GRFS and GR Phantoms, but I’m happy if they give us at least the “Ghost” balaclava (the one Kozak uses)



H.A.W.X doesn’t make sense as a crossover because the type of the operation doesn’t allow it. That’s why we don’t see them at any point of this game unlike previous games. Maybe on the next one.

Rainbow Six however can be involved, if White Masks came to Bolivia with some chemical weapons. Like on the Article 5 mission of RB Siege. Imagine the cool gear that would come out of that.

I find your arguments interesting but not don't really seem valid considering the history of GR in this game. Did predator belong in the main story line? Did yeti's? I really don't think the "storyline" thing holds up when actually looking at the history and the facts.

Second, "type of operation doesn't allow it" would be a good argument if they hadn't thrown in a game very focused on stealth(splintercell) into a game that has significantly less stress on stealth.

Lastly, while I would really enjoy a GRFS I would say unless they added time travel to the game, I'm not sure how that would work out lol. I mean come on this is basic stuff here: "FUTURE soldier". I mean they could throw in an outfit or two, but I mean a mission involving them, fat facking chance in my mind(as much as I love that game). Maybe a younger, significantly less equipped and earlier versions of this, but none of what happened in FS has happened yet in this game. But right now with FS we are in a sort of back to the future scenario, where the predictions about future tech haven't really come to fruition. It would be nonetheless interesting to see how they decide to run it.

[Kane_sg]

A Future Soldier cross-over can easily be set as a prequel featuring a character from that game, finding a technology or taking down a case that's linked up to the lore of the Future Soldier which was set years later.

[Kane_sg]

Mario

*static

"Nomad, this is Mushroom. We are having some menacing new organization. Report says they kidnapped a girl. Meet me at the RV."
"Copy that, Mushroom. Nomad out."

Ding! [Operation Evil Tortoise. Meet Mushroom waiting near green pipe at the rendevous point.]

[LoneSpymaster]

I find your arguments interesting but not don't really seem valid considering the history of GR in this game. Did predator belong in the main story line? Did yeti's? I really don't think the "storyline" thing holds up when actually looking at the history and the facts.
Second, "type of operation doesn't allow it" would be a good argument if they hadn't thrown in a game very focused on stealth(splintercell) into a game that has significantly less stress on stealth.

You know the “yetis” was only a legend and turn out to be a sniper right? The predator obviously doesn’t belong on the main storyline, the characters even said it, while I do get your point I still do not agree with The Division being part of the “storyline” as the game isn’t part of the same timeline.

Splinter Cell, H.A.W.X and Rainbow Six take place in the same timeline, even though they do have inconsistencies, The Division is set on his own.

What I meant with “type of operation doesn’t allow it” was that on previous games the Ghost’s where conducting a covert operation but here they are doing a covert- clandestine operation, which means there is no way to support the Ghost’s from the outside, at least that’s what the game is trying to point out.

H.A.W.X (because you seem unaware of it) aka: High Altitude Warfare Xperimental Squadron, is a special elite squadron within the U.S. Air Force, so having the US flying around Bolivia isn’t to discrete is you ask me. I would love to see H.A.W.X involved but it just doesn’t fit with the plot.

The Splinter Cell crossover worked because the Ghost’s where there to support Fisher, not the other way around and even though the first part of the mission had “stealth” the point of the mission was to support Fisher with heavy fire while he did what he had to do.

Lastly, while I would really enjoy a GRFS I would say unless they added time travel to the game, I'm not sure how that would work out lol. I mean come on this is basic stuff here: "FUTURE soldier". I mean they could throw in an outfit or two, but I mean a mission involving them, fat facking chance in my mind(as much as I love that game). Maybe a younger, significantly less equipped and earlier versions of this, but none of what happened in FS has happened yet in this game. But right now with FS we are in a sort of back to the future scenario, where the predictions about future tech haven't really come to fruition. It would be nonetheless interesting to see how they decide to run it.

They already throw the Kozak outfit to the game, not to mention the crosscom glasses (because is part of the equipment the Ghosts use and should have been there to begin with). Kozak still exists on this game, the characters even mention him, so obviously they need to have only the crosscom but not optical camo and maybe different outfits, for timeline sake but I do not see how much of a problem it is to have them if at the end, they are part of the Ghost team.

[crowlecj]

very fair response, still if your going by consistency with timeline I think they threw that out the door with predator.

As for HAWX... cool beans, i guess

I still say crossover with splintercell was forced and extremely poorly executed. I think we can both agree most players had the most difficulty the sneaking in part without killing, as this is no stealth game. Having said that I think the "defend here" thing is pretty bs and the whole mission overall didn't seem well put together. If this was in the underground unidad base, hell that would have made it more exciting.

AS for the Kozak thing, Ubi also threw in an AC character, and a Division character. I think we can both agree that the icons added via Uplay bear little to significance on the development on the game itself and are mere cosmetic add-ons, not meant to be considered part of the story. Same goes for the cross com but those are more believable, so I could accept that. I just googled the Kozak reference because i didn't remember hearing it, but that ****s with me hard. GRFS is set in the future of this, are they referring to the mission kozak was just on in the previous game or just a previous tour of duty? If we go by actual timeline of dates, kozac was born 98, thus if he was if GRW, would make him a really fresh faced 20 year old who happens to have jumped through the ranks and become the worlds most elite soldier after what, 2 years of service? LOL ok UBI nice job, really nailing it jezus this is bad. That timeline does not make complete sense. Anyone who has experience in military knows how absurd that is. I would love to be wrong and see FS, as all my characters are dressed like that right now anyway. Idk I think if your going to make the argument that FS is likely, then its hard to not apply that same exact evidence and standards to a Div crossover.

[ManticButton]

I'm sorry if I confused anyone when I mentioned H.A.W.X I should have probably made it more clear that I was joking

Also does anyone have A link to any official conformation that Ghost Recon/Splinter Cell/H.A.W.X exist in the same universe as Rainbow Six and the rest of the ryanverse.
this honestly keeps me up at night

[Kean_1]

I'm sorry if I confused anyone when I mentioned H.A.W.X I should have probably made it more clear that I was joking

Also does anyone have A link to any official conformation that Ghost Recon/Splinter Cell/H.A.W.X exist in the same universe as Rainbow Six and the rest of the ryanverse.
this honestly keeps me up at night

I thought that was evident by the "but if I'm being serious" in next sentence but apparently not.

[crowlecj]

to be clear spymaster brought up hawkx out of nowhere, i was more responding to whatever excuse he had, I didn't read your post before so I was a little confused why he was bringing it up and also thought the same thing. It seems like he has a hard-on for hawx

[LoneSpymaster]

very fair response, still if your going by consistency with timeline I think they threw that out the door with predator.

Again predator is not part of the timeline.

I still say crossover with splintercell was forced and extremely poorly executed. I think we can both agree most players had the most difficulty the sneaking in part without killing, as this is no stealth game. Having said that I think the "defend here" thing is pretty bs and the whole mission overall didn't seem well put together. If this was in the underground unidad base, hell that would have made it more exciting.

Stealth part is really easy, this is not a stealth game but it does have stealth mechanics and gadgets that can actually allow you to sneak in, even on trailers and gameplays they show it as an option, that people do not have the patience or even the ability is not the game fault. On the defend here thing yes, it is difficult, thanks to the open world, countless enemies always respawn, it should’ve been more limited but again easy to go through if you plan everything a head.

AS for the Kozak thing, Ubi also threw in an AC character, and a Division character. I think we can both agree that the icons added via Uplay bear little to significance on the development on the game itself and are mere cosmetic add-ons, not meant to be considered part of the story. Same goes for the cross com but those are more believable, so I could accept that. I just googled the Kozak reference because i didn't remember hearing it, but that ****s with me hard. GRFS is set in the future of this, are they referring to the mission kozak was just on in the previous game or just a previous tour of duty? If we go by actual timeline of dates, kozac was born 98, thus if he was if GRW, would make him a really fresh faced 20 year old who happens to have jumped through the ranks and become the worlds most elite soldier after what, 2 years of service? LOL ok UBI nice job, really nailing it jezus this is bad. That timeline does not make complete sense. Anyone who has experience in military knows how absurd that is. I would love to be wrong and see FS, as all my characters are dressed like that right now anyway. Idk I think if your going to make the argument that FS is likely, then its hard to not apply that same exact evidence and standards to a Div crossover.

Outfits, not characters, a very different thing.

Now on Kozak, here is the way they mention him:

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Kozak in 2019 would’ve been 21, you can sign in on the military at 17. Now it isn’t strange for him to be part of The Ghosts as they do not have to follow the Army's policy given the unique nature of the unit. The same thing happened to Alicia Diaz, Army policy did not allow her to serve in any combat MOS including special operations, but The Ghosts didn’t care and she was welcome with open arms, the same could happened to Kozak, maybe he was good at something and it was worth to have him at young age

Is not like you have to reach a certain rank and you become a Ghost lol, they have certain requirements.

I'm sorry if I confused anyone when I mentioned H.A.W.X I should have probably made it more clear that I was joking

Also does anyone have A link to any official conformation that Ghost Recon/Splinter Cell/H.A.W.X exist in the same universe as Rainbow Six and the rest of the ryanverse.
this honestly keeps me up at night

Oh, I only read the HAWX part, I ignored everything else. Sorry about that.

Now to answer your question is really easy, there is no confirmation that I remember of, the closes to a confirmation was what a dev said about The Division, wasn’t part of the Tom Clancy Timeline, which includes, HAWX/SC/Ghost Recon/EndWar/Rainbow Six.

While there isn’t a spoken confirmation however, the connectivity was confirmed on RS Las Vegas 2, in both Elements Hotel and Casino and Nevada Desert missions, you are working with a Splinter Cell, they mention him as NSA agent, he uses the same equipment Fisher uses except with two dots instead of three, which makes sense because at the time, the only agent with three dots was Sam Fisher (this can be seen on the coop agents from Chaos Theory and ShadowNet agents in Double Agent)

But everything else is spot on, also team Rainbow is working with the NSA at the beginning of Old Vegas mission (reason why you are working with that Splinter Cell later)

Meaning that if there is a connection between Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell it means is obviously connected to both Ghost Recon and HAWX.

Sadly Rainbow Sxi Siege doesn't have a story anymore.