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Yes New ROch lights is a bad rework..
It requires Zero skills at all so it is not gratefull for old ROch mains and it is a waste of the game mechanics possibilities which are pretty rich.
Now, Roch lights are pretty difficult to deal with if you're not playing Conq or Zerk and that's stupid.
It is even worst than Pk's lights.
Again, i say that for Console.
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I'm playing on PC as Glad and damn I feel useless against Orochi like literally nothing I can do but wait and wait and do a few light attacks...Originally Posted by Siegfried-Z Go to original post
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I understand your pain... i Play Kensei - Valk and Shaman and while playing Shaman, Roch is a nightmare now.. with Kensei i can handle it a bit more but it is still difficult.. only with my Valk i have not so much problems agaisnt new Roch alias Spam Lights little guyOriginally Posted by SpiraIface Go to original post
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Yes, in Dominion there is always at least two or three orochis in one game. Number can go up to four though. The obvious tell of a meta is when everyone is using it. Lawbringer can't even switch guard fast enough to block, let alone parry. Not only it is breaking the fun but the variety as well, I wouldn't be so upset if there was one every once in a while, but they are always there. I got the starter edition for free, but I won't buy until they nerf them.
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can you explain what in his moveset is OP?Originally Posted by SpiraIface Go to original post
fast lights?
pk, aramusha, shaman, shinobi, berserker, gladiator, valkyrie have it too
IMO If you cant deal with orochi lights you probably cant deal with any other assassin.
spam of unblockeables?
(like shoulder vortex, headbut and shove)
Orochi dont have anything like this
Hyper armor??
Orochi only have this on deflect
100% damage in a single combo?
Nope again, only Centurion can do it
Did you noticied that his dodge atack are ultra slow?
(Zephyr Slash and Lightning Strike)
Even Kensei have better dodge atacks and he isn't even an assassin
Orochi was the most used hero in 2017, even being the weakest hero.Originally Posted by Nose1234F Go to original post
I think he just have a good design.
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Do you know what I think is really OP?Originally Posted by SpiraIface Go to original post
Glad's zone
If you dont agree with this can you help me please?
Tell me how to avoid a unblockeable, unparryable and super fast move.
By the way, Gladiator lights have the SAME SPEED of orochi lights...
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Orochi lights are a bit faster than the gladiator's, but he is not broken. The only time he is hard to block is when you are out of stamina, then you have little time to react (and it's totally understandable, others have way better punishes against exhausted opponents).
Off: The only way to counter the gladiator's zone is by spacing. If you are closer than one meter, you are in the range, be ready to dodge or attack, light attacks beat the shieldbash part of the zone. He has very poor defensive options, he has to be aggressive, and in that, he is probably the best, the best way to defend against it is being aggressive.
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Lol Dude try at least to be right in your informations.. among all the Char you talk about only Pk has Lights as fast as Roch, and it is a double lights combo not a triple.Originally Posted by OLD.Autumn.Ieaf Go to original post
And btw, they all has weak point ROch don't have in their lights combo .
Shaman and Shinobi have only two lights (and Shaman lights combo is very weak in terms of dmg)
Valkyrie and Glad second lights are almost always parried at high level
Zerk get only ONE light at this speed and he has to feint for it
Aramusha has to follow up a specific directions to use his chain if not feinting
For the rest.. it is really not because a char don't has unblocables or Hyperarmor (while Roch has both on heavy deflect) that he is weak... Pk were number 1 of all Char from season 1 to 4 without having all of that, she was just too fast... WHAT IS ROCH NOW !
And because you DARE comparing Roch and Glad.. NO Glad Light didn't have the same speed as Roch after the first one AND BTW didn't have a top double lights !
While the Glad ZOne is his strongest moove and cost a lot of stam , Glad is still one of the weakiest Char with Valk in the stats now.
Roch lights are far too fast and that's enough with his fast zone, fast riptide and fast GB and first cheat feat Kiai to beat almost every char except COnq or Zerk now.
Roch is totally too strong against others assassins now while reflex guard can't react on time to his lights !
THink before talking .. no smoke without fire
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The gladiator is not weak, he deals free damage if he can get close enough to zone, he can place a heavy, a skewer, or a fuscina any time during his light chain, and the gladiator has vast stamina pool, so his zone doesn't eat that much (try to hard feint the second part with pk, that's a lot of stamina for 15 damage). And the berserker is much harder to block than the orochi, the shaman's jump heavies are almost as fast as the orochi lights, and if you block them, it's game over for the orochi. If you are not willing to go for parries, you can mixup him all you want, his reaction tools are all free light parries.
