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[Armosias]

I'm not sure that releasing the new heroes now will do any better than doing it later honestly. Because it will actually make more heroes to understand now for newbies than in october when they're planned to come out. Also this allow for more testing and balancing, and I think they absolutely need it.

I think Roman said "pre-alpha state" which means what it means right?

[Vakris_One]

I totally agree with you Redditmember55,

the hype train is on, we need in the summer the reworks, and if its possible, two from the new warriors. He made some really true points, for instance on the summer I dont have university lessons, so I can play a lot more, and just a side question to Vakris and CandleintheDark, you made some harsh reactions, but why? I like the dudes ideas and agree with them, why were you so insulting? It is an open and friendly discussion, they can have their ideas, and you can have yours, we share the ideas and then maybe we can get a better idea which can help our favourite game.

Simple really. Because his default position was to claim that he speaks for the community which implies he speaks in my name as well. I dislike someone assuming they speak for me without even having asked for my opinion. Would you be happy for someone to say they speak for you when they don't even know what your opinion is?

[Redditmember55]

Vakris, I try to enlighten you

I'm constantly playing from the beta, just to make it clear, I never said, that this concept, should be on a higher level than anybody else's idea, I dont know why you think this, I try to be polite and answer to everything even you were a little bit offensive. So on the topic most of the Honor players are excited, and would be happy if they could get the new heroes a little bit earlier than October, just ask your friends. I read the forums, the E3 twitch chat, Honor facebook groups, huge amount of players are unpatient and want to play earlier, if Ubisoft can let this happen (and before it the reworks, balancing) why is it a problem for you?After the E3 I have spoken dozens of Honor players and they are all wating the launch, they would like the idea of getting the heroes earlier when they are fully finished and balance tested

And one more thing, do you think it is possible that I ask every Honor player on the world before I say, it will be good for the game, and lots of players agree with it? That is ridiculus and hard to do.

[Redditmember55]

Armosias, I said, that if they can they should release the heroes in August, not today

[Vakris_One]

Vakris, I try to enlighten you

I'm constantly playing from the beta, just to make it clear, I never said, that this concept, should be on a higher level than anybody else's idea, I dont know why you think this, I try to be polite and answer to everything even you were a little bit offensive.

I've played since the alpha but it doesn't make my opinion suddenly count for a thousand people, which you have implied yours does. That is what I take issue with - trying to foster a false sense of immediate importance above just a normal person's opinion. I criticised your wording by saying that it is obnoxious to claim you speak for anyone other than yourself. That's not offensive, that's just criticism. It was a bit sharp and I could have phrased it more diplomatically of course so for that I will take the blame.

So on the topic most of the Honor players are excited, and would be happy if they could get the new heroes a little bit earlier than October, just ask your friends. I read the forums, the E3 twitch chat, Honor facebook groups, huge amount of players are unpatient and want to play earlier, if Ubisoft can let this happen (and before it the reworks, balancing) why is it a problem for you?

It's not. I have no problem with other people's opinions nor in distinguishing opinions from wishful thinking out loud. The problem is the way you worded your thread to make it seem like the world will end if Ubisoft don't release the update earlier. That's called hyperbole and in my opinion it's a very poor, very crass tool to use in a polite and civilised discourse about something you want to happen. That's just how I feel about the use of hyperbollic statements.

After the E3 I have spoken dozens of Honor players and they are all wating the launch, they would like the idea of getting the heroes earlier when they are fully finished and balance tested.

That's great. We all would like this update out as soon as possible because we're all fans of this game but that should ultimately be left up to the devs in my opinion. They have decided they will need 4 months to get this update ready for release and I trust them because they are professional game developers who know their stuff. Like pretty much everyone I want to play this update as soon as possible but I also have to respect that the developers know what they are doing and that they have access to a bigger picture than me. I don't want to pressure them into releasing an unfinished product as that is how For Honor got into trouble in the first place on it's launch. Nor am I nearly arrogant enough to believe that I know more about the games market or this community than the developers themselves.

I think they are well aware of the community's hunger for this update and no amount of "the game will suffer if you don't release early" over-the-top threads (with all due respect) will convince them to change their release date. Because frankly the developers know more about how to do their jobs than we do.

And one more thing, do you think it is possible that I ask every Honor player on the world before I say, it will be good for the game, and lots of players agree with it? That is ridiculus and hard to do.

Not ridiculous. Just hard to do. I've seen people from other games communities than are much larger than For Honor's community go out and gather data in order to present it back to the devs and the community. I've seen a massive survey of over 30, 0000 players conducted by one person who then painstakingly collated the data and presented it for use as a tool to see what player's favourite game modes and play styles were for a game called Elite Dangerous. And even he knew he didn't speak for the whole community which was made up of more than a million players worldwide. He made it clear that his survey was not meant to be the be all and end all about the community's opinion, just that it would be the largest piece of community sourced data but by no means the final word.

So you can see now why I take a bit of an issue with you simply claiming you speak for the majority without even providing cursory evidence of your research and data gathered. I mean that's just too easy to say. If you want to make the claim then you gotta be willing to do the hard work to back it up with. Otherwise you are only ever speaking for yourself and your own personal opinion, which is perfectly fine just so long as you don't go claiming to be speaking for other people as well. State your own opinion, without pretentions to be speaking for others, and then let other people speak for themselves. That's just how I feel on this matter.

I hope that's cleared that up.

[Lord_Cherubi]

I don't mind waiting, hell i've been waiting the Breach mode ever since i installed lol. But newcomer's hype might be long gone before the DLC drops.

Still i'd rather they take their sweet time, this is propably their last shot at making this game big and a broken update would pretty much seal the deal for it. I can already name way too much PS4 players than i should be able to which is both very alarming and kinda fun because you get to know a bit on what and how people play.

[Mia.Nora]

It is true that game would have benefitted more from an earlier release than October which is just too far away, simply because that is how human psychology works. Player base who is already into FH wont be effected, those new player who are hyped will forget and cool down by October.

And I think the over reaction from candle and valkris is unwarranted. They are both die hard fans like the many rest of us here on forums who still tag along regardless of the problems game have, and using our own commitment to the game as a benchmark for the general playerbase game could have reached is simply silly.

Of course earlier release can not be done, they are just not ready, but E3 had a set date and they had to announce at that date regardless of when it will actually be released. I don't think they will even be really ready by October, and I am sure it will be released in a almost or literally beta state for the new stuff. Dev team here is notorious for how slow they work, and my worry is old stuff that is forced to be released broken almost never gets to be fixed. We still have several beta state game mods in the game.

[Alustar.exe]

The release of this update has got nothing on the hype train for other games. Take the final fantasy 7 remake for instance. Players have been waiting YEARS for that and will likely wait even longer still. And here are you guys complaining about a 4 months wait? GTFO

[Vakris_One]

It is true that game would have benefitted more from an earlier release than October which is just too far away, simply because that is how human psychology works.

And I think the over reaction from candle and valkris is unwarranted. They are both die hard fans like the many rest of us here on forums who still tag along regardless of the problems game have, and using our own commitment to the game as a benchmark for the general playerbase game could have reached is simply silly.

Of course earlier release can not be done, they are just not ready, but E3 had a set date and they had to announce at that date regardless of when it will actually be released. I don't think they will even be really ready by October, and I am sure it will be released in a almost or literally beta state for the new stuff. Dev team here is notorious for how slow they work, and my worry is old stuff that is forced to be released broken almost never gets to be fixed. We still have several beta state game mods in the game.

Can you please explain to me which part of my post was an overreaction Mia? I didn't like the OP's hyperbole and I did not agree with their tone of "I speak for the majority of players when I say this...". I wasn't aware that me simply stating my own personal opinion and putting forth some criticism is considered as an "overreaction". In most places that's called giving an opinion.

As per your statement here, "using our own commitment to the game as a benchmark for the general playerbase game could have reached is simply silly." - The OP did exactly what you just wrote. They used their own personal benchmark for what they want to happen and expressed it as if that's how the majority of the playerbase automatically feels. Why am I copping flack from you while the OP opened their thread like this? Seems a bit hypocritical of you.

[CandleInTheDark]

And I think the over reaction from candle and valkris is unwarranted. They are both die hard fans like the many rest of us here on forums who still tag along regardless of the problems game have, and using our own commitment to the game as a benchmark for the general playerbase game could have reached is simply silly..

Ok, so outside of maybe my second point being a little tart, can you tell me where any of the rest of my post was factually wrong? Since the devs did say alpha state yesterday and people did say this game would die when season 2 was released on the same day as Injustice 2 and when Absolver came out and the game was in a worse state than it is now in both cases.