Ghost Recon Wildlands and American Intervention | Forums

[Kean_1]

If you are going to pick and choose which tactical shooters you play, based mainly on your personal political views, then your not going to be gaming very often. Every game has bad guys, and providing that the game isn't set as part of an alien invasion, those bad guys are mot likely going to invole foreign countries, or terrorist groups. So whether it take place in a foreign country, Afghanistan, Bolivia, Russia, to name a few, or involve other countries invading the US, such as North Korea in Homefront, or Russia in one of the COD games.

.....agreed. It's just a game. ......and this is a forum for discussing that game.

[LiLCJ21500]

. Are these interventions in the plot of the game solely on saving people from bad dudes terrorizing the country? No.

Do the"Ghosts" do bad things? Obviously no.

Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon are Tom Clancy franchises that almost all the time shows you how US sends people to other countries to save the day, you can even see a huge dilemma on Splinter Cell Blacklist.

You may have a problem with this type of actions and is understandable but neither Splinter Cell or Ghost Recon offend the countries they take place at in any way if anything it shows the reality of the situations which at the end may offend those countries but is unavoidable.

Ghost Recon Wildlands portrays in this case the Bolivian government making agreements with a drug cartel, which is something that actually happens in real life (maybe not in Bolivia because I do not know but it does in Mexico). Even the Mexican voice actors for the game took the theme very seriously (in a good way) because the game shows something that is real.

I live in Ciudad Juarez, meaning that I live on Mexico, so I know what I’m talking about. GRAW 2 takes place at Ciudad Juarez, the governor of Chihuahua, ended up giving a huge ban to the game (useless because it was still available to buy lol even to date) because it showed to much violence and gave a wrong image to Ciudad Juarez, which is ironic because if you care to do some research the city was at the time one of the most violent, Ciudad Juarez had already a bad image, it didn’t need help lol

Anyway what I want you to understand by this is that you shouldn’t care, I didn’t care and GRAW 2 took place at the city I live at, so you shouldn’t either. Enjoy the game and if you want to talk about politics i am here.

Much respect!

[Kane_sg]

Here's fact and SPOILER for your political needs. lol

1. Agent Sandoval:
Tasked to be a double agent by DEA. Gained rank as Buchon in the Santa Blanca organization. He bombed the US Embassy on his own will to quickly smear Santa Blanca's name and give reason to attack them. He was eventually found out to be double agent by SB and tortured to death. Needless to say, he killed many innocent people on the process.

2. Karen Bowman:
Also DEA. Following the bombing, she was on her mission and her own personal grudge to capture El Sueno to redeem the death of her late friend, Agent Sandoval.

3. The Ghosts:
The best 4-person army the US can hire. The US and Ghost came to Bolivia illegally. They are tasked to help The Katari Rebels from behind the screen. Credit is failure.

4. The Katari Rebels:
The local Bolivian militias who are sick by the cartel empire and looking to liberate themselves. The leader who adopted the historical name Pac Katari made deal with Americans and was disappointed by the four-man army, but was slowly proven by their competency. Pac Katari eventually is on his own vendetta towards Sueno and betrays the Americans to claim the name for himself.

5. The Unidad:
The local Bolivian official government army that was cornered into corruption. Had to deal with the agreement for the SB in order to stop killing civilian, they must turn blind eye to SB's business.


Conclusion:

1. Are the US side, DEA and Ghosts, heroes? Yes, both accidentally and practically.

2. Does the US side intervene foreign business? Yes, under justified reason, yet with a couple of illegal move.

3. Did the US side do a crime? On behalf of Agent Sandoval, yes they did. Towards themselves, their own people, and Bolivian government. This is still outside the casualties the Ghosts may take.


All in all, this is a video game. This doesn't represent anything or the counterparts in real world. It's a fiction. Just freaking play the damn game and enjoy the story as entertainment.

[CarolinaFrog]

"dont agree with american intervention in latin america".. here's a simple fix.. quit electing corrupt officials in those countries who pipeline drugs and violence throughout said countries...

[Ghost416]

"dont agree with american intervention in latin america".. here's a simple fix.. quit electing corrupt officials in those countries who pipeline drugs and violence throughout said countries...

[crowlecj]

"dont agree with american intervention in latin america".. here's a simple fix.. quit electing corrupt officials in those countries who pipeline drugs and violence throughout said countries...

See it's not quite as simple as that, the localities their still trust individuals and not systems(and rightfully so if looking at LA history), dating back to cacos and caudillos, local military strongmen who originally resisted American intervention post LA independence. Their system is a system of patronage, where those who are connected get the spots in power. Thus resulting in massive corruption, not even taking into account the drug issue.

Now add to that a drug market that has been fueled by an insatiable northern hemispheric demand for elicit substances. During the Cold War, the US government ignored narco trafficking for certain groups(Noriega being perhaps the most notorious) and allowed for the consolidation and monopolization of drug market. With competition not working the way it should, strong, almost impervious groups of traffickers arose with vast wealth and power that capable of challenging the government. Not only that, now you have large sections of the population and the economy reliant on the drug trade. Average farmers who may not even have a choice, local legislators left with the option of changing the vast systems of drugs which have taken literally decades to develop. Your talking about destroying something that due to longevity, has become a family business. Son's do the same as fathers and it is passed down and normalized.

Let me back up and say the drug trade is disgusting, but what GRW did depict well was the casualness of the drug trade and how normalized it is. All I'm trying to say is that the decision is not as easy as "quit electing corrupt officials" when all the honest officials up for election get f*cking executed in broad daylight, and then have their families killed.

[CarolinaFrog]

what GRW depicted is that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and that with very few exceptions, the American Special Forces Community in an effort to promote a stabilized western hemisphere (ya know, so folks can enjoy their lives at home in their home countries instead of creating mass immigration issues) is continually put to work trying to upend the drug trade and gets fantastic backup from the militaries in the area who want the same stabilization for their home countries but are faced with politicians who either cave under pressure, or cave to the bribes and allow the shenanigans to continue. got thugs murdering your politicians? your families? murder em back! make it too costly for them to do "business as usual"... hence why the USA has our beloved @nd Amendment, to ensure that a (wo)man can be secure in their home and that should they need to be armed to repel an intrusion, they can use any available force to do so, most of these countries are poor, they havent the means to repel invading forces like these mega cartels, hence the intervention by the SFC

hence also why there is the "fair trade" movement, making legitimate legal business more profitable for the communities so that they can provide for their families and finance the reversal of drugs as "king cash crop"...

i would love it if my brothers and sisters could stay home and never have to engage another opfor on any battlefront, but as long as there are those willing to do the work of evil, there has to be a stronger force for good, else the evil wins and "welcome to hell"

[crowlecj]

I can agree with you on the absolute power thing for sure. I can tell you know what your talking about as well, but to your points about backing militaries, it wouldn't surprise me if you also knew about the history of backing militaries of LA governments and political leaders. The whole "murder them back" things DOES NOT WORK, like legit has caused generational problems. Places like in Guatemala, Al Salvador, Panama, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, US military support has lead to the creation of government sanctioned hit squads(most notable example would be the School of the Americas in Panama set up for totally just reasons and having horrendous outcomes(massacres of priests and civilians). I love for people to have their own opinions, but if you think murdering is a fine thing vs rule of law and a judicial system, well thats something I really don't think anyone wants to start defending. Listen: Do I have a solution to stopping the drug trade. F*CK NO, it is a multi -dimensional multi-generational issues, but I know history matters, and how you win matters, and America has been learning that the hard way all the way from Latin America to the Middle East(with many parallels able to be drawn). Now I do agree with you on the 2nd amendment but thats neither here nor their. All i'm trying to say is that you seem somewhat intelligent, and think you could see the perspective that it is not as simple as just trying to electing the right officials or "murdering them back" and if it was that easy then the issue would probably have been solved by now. Having said that, I can recognize that I took everyone's comments pretty seriously, and that it is likely that the suggestions were made in passing and not with a lot of actual serious thought or research. I'm not trying to dig anyone or flame them, just keeping in mind a serious perspective on a very serious topic. Also just to see where your mind is at: Do you think American Intervention in LA has done more to fuel illegal immigration or more to stem it. Keeping in mind the historical forces that caused civil war or civil unrest. Also do you see the narco states as a cause of drug consumption in the western hemisphere or do you see it as the other way around, drug consumption causing Narco states. No right answer here just trying to see what your perspective/experience is more.

[Frag_Maniac]

i would love it if my brothers and sisters could stay home and never have to engage another opfor on any battlefront, but as long as there are those willing to do the work of evil, there has to be a stronger force for good, else the evil wins and "welcome to hell"

Part of the problem is demand though. We like to think America is all that, but the fact is there's a growing number of radicals here in the US that think ALL drugs should be legal. Where I live the cops don't bother with anything marijuana related because it's legal now, and even though it's illegal to smoke it in public you see an increasing number of people using it in alleyways, which of course attracts use of crack as well. America is slowly falling apart. The deal with the pharmaceutical corporations in '93 led to them owning the FDA, and things have been going to hell ever since. We may not have it as bad as counties with powerful drug cartels, but a large part of our population is aiding and abetting them. There's one thing the GRW campaign story got right. We've got crooked people in powerful places that make deals with people like El Sueno, not caring at all about who gets hurt in the process. They'll take five steps backward just to bolster their image with one illusive step forward. The politicians and big corporations in this country only care about themselves.

[UbiInsulin]

Just a reminder: discussion here should tie directly to the story of GRW. This thread's been interesting, but let's make sure to stay on-topic.