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  1. #11
    I don't see where the crime is
    Because... it's wrong and then, let me see, oh yea it's completely, utterly wrong. His name is now top of the list of map creators and he has done exactly no work whatsoever.

    You can't see a problem with that right?

    Anyway got reply back from Ubi

    Hello cliff_easton,

    Thank you for contacting Ubisoft Customer Support. My name is Fred and I'll be assisting you today.

    I'm sorry to hear someone has taken your hard work to themselves.

    Normally, map editor specific issues would usually be handled on our community forums:
    https://forums.ubi.com/forumdisplay....y-5-Map-Editor

    Feel free to expose your issue there.

    I hope this helps, feel free to get back to us at any time, it is always a pleasure to help.

    Best regards,
    Fred
    Ubisoft Customer Support
    If there are any Ubi mods reading this could you please move it to the editor forum, as requested, thank you.
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  2. #12
    I read this answer from customer suport, and dont understand nothing. This answer is blblablaaa.
    Whtat tells us FC5 code of condukt about map stealing?And whay UBI dont delite stealed maps?
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  3. #13
    I am a middle size company owner and manager, and my customer sevises and support workers never give that kaind blabla bla answrer to customers,
    they start imideatly to resolev problem and give correct answer. If some my workers give to customer that kaind answe,, then next day will be a last day in my comapny!
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  4. #14
    Originally Posted by cliff_easton Go to original post
    Because... it's wrong and then, let me see, oh yea it's completely, utterly wrong. His name is now top of the list of map creators and he has done exactly no work whatsoever.

    You can't see a problem with that right?

    No, I still don't see a problem with it.
    You say "His name is now at the top of the list of map creators".

    But the thing is, there is no "list of map creators"...but there IS a list of MAPS...and if your map is at the top of that list, and YOUR NAME is listed on the map as the original creator...then...YOUR map is at the top of the list of maps...congrats.

    ...again, you say "it's wrong...completely and utterly wrong"...but...HOW?
    Nobody took anything from you, the credit for the creation is still clearly listed as yours, right on the map...

    As I said before, if you spend weeks making a really amazing map, and someone downloads it and CHANGES THE MAP, and makes it REALLY REALLY STUPID, and un-does a bunch of your work, and then tries to pass it off as your creation, then: yeah- that would be scandalous, because they would be representing YOU as something LESS than what you, as a creator, are.
    But that's simply not the case here.

    I'm really not trying to argue, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the crime you claim is being committed. I just don't see it.

    PS- feel free to re-upload any of my maps, just as long as you don't change any of my work...cheers!
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  5. #15
    Code of Conduct for Far Cry 5
    Map Stealing: copying the map files of another User and republish them under his/her own Account.

    •First offense: Warning & content reset
    •Multiple offenses: Temporary suspension & content reset

    Map stealers must be punished according to Code of conduct!
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  6. #16
    So weird...if it's against the code of conduct I wonder why they specifically coded the game to allow multiple authors on one map.
    I wonder why they just didn't have each map have a "Map Author" section and leave it at that. And why not just have every map only openable in the editor by the original author?

    ...really, why even allow a map to be uploaded by a player other than the author at all?
    ...under what normal circumstances is that a feature that is a must-have in the game?

    I still only see a crime if the map is altered, since otherwise it's merely spreading the success of your work further than you yourself are able to spread it through the normal channels of hosting it in public lobbies when you play...because when people like it, and look to see the author's name, they aren't looking at the most recent uploader's name, they're looking at the "Original Author" so, your name is still associated with the map, and it's obvious to all who the original author is: YOU.

    That said, this loose system does leave it wide open for abuse, allowing the easy opportunity for people to trash your name by re-uploading ruined or defaced versions of your map.
    It boggles the mind why the game is set up to allow this, if it's against their own rules, when simply sticking to a "1 Author per Map" policy would fix everything for everybody.

    Dear Ubisoft Forum Admins...would you care to chime in on this one?
    Curious minds wanna know.
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    I think it should NEVER be the case that people are disallowed from downloading other people's maps. re-PUBLISHING a downloaded map on the other hand should ideally not be possible, unless the creator changed the map with approval from the original creator.

    I like the idea behind creative sharing; multiple mappers working on the same map, everyone being all creative.

    However, some people just reupload maps to 'claim credit'; they don't change anything, or at most just the mapname and thumbnail. For example, ZeusJones made an amazing Die Hard-inspired map called Cry Hard. It paved the way for several copies, all instead using the 'Die Hard' name. There's even one copy called "DEFANANTLY NOT COPIE", the nerve...

    Multiple copies of maps are annoying because they pollute the map list, and it isn't obvious to see what changed in them. It's better to be able to remember a map you like by name, rather than have to sift through all copies and find the one you liked.
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  8. #18
    Latest reply from Ubi

    Hello cliff_easton,

    My name is Fernando and I am currently assisting you with your case. I apologise for the time that I have taken to get back to you on this ticket. We are constantly improving our service, to ensure our responses are as quick as possible.

    Thank you for taking the time to reply and for including your input. Your feedback is always appreciated.

    In regards to these kinds of map issues, at this time, I would recommend that you report the map itself via the Far Cry Arcade site:
    https://far-cry-arcade.ubi.com/

    I am sorry for the inconvenience caused by this situation. Please let me know if I can assist you with anything else as I will be here to help you if you need.

    Kind Regards,
    Fernando
    Ubisoft Customer Support
    So, once again, not my problem, go away and bother someone else.

    I can't even see a way to report a map through the arcade site as he suggested.

    Regarding the "crime" committed, bear in mind that someone (not me) isn't getting their hard work pushed out through the system because this person has unfairly occupied a "top rated" slot. You can bat it back and forth all day long but the simple fact is that blatant, willful plagiarism of this kind is simply always wrong.

    Take any other field of endeavour, say you write a novel, someone else takes your published manuscript, puts their name on the front (above yours) republishes and goes to the top of the best seller list. Now the guy (who only wrote his name on the front remember) is being interviewed on daytime tv about his fantastic book. Is this right?

    Now some other poor author (who would have been in the top ten but is now unfortunately number 11, hard luck) isn't getting any attention for their work because of the plagiarist. Is this right?

    Anyway, apparently Ubisoft don't care even though it violates their own code of conduct soo.. who knows really. I've got another map nearly finished that I've put dozens of hours into, at the moment I'm wishing there was a way you could load and play them into FC5 purely for your own amusement and not publish publicly at all.
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  9. #19
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    Hello all,

    I understand the subject of "map stealing" is a complicated one.

    there are several points to address here, and I'll try my best to answer your questions.

    - why do we allow maps to be downloaded by other players?
    the philosophy of Arcade and the Editor has always been to always try to bring in new map makers, to welcome beginners that want to get to master this powerful and, lets be honnest, complex feature. And exactly as HOBO_ITCHY said, downloading other maps to find out how they are built, or to iterate from them, is a very useful way to learn how to build maps.
    Knowledge never evolves if it doesn't travels, and the vision of Far Cry Editor teams has always been of a platfrom where builders exchange their knowledge.
    - why is it written in teh code of conduct that map theft s forbidden?
    this one is on us. We requested our legal department to draft the code of conduct month before launch, and the "original creator" feature wasn't working as it is now. And we forgot to amend this line
    - why is the Support redirecting you to the forum for Editor questions?
    The Support can help you with technical issues with your game, with missing items, with questions about a purchase you made or a release date. They can inform you about content in the game, issues with online services, among other things. But when it comes to specific production decisions, like the possibility to download users maps, they are not the right contact because they are not in direct contact with the development teams.
    and this works the other way round. If you ask me where is your game order, why you have this error code, I won't be able to answer you specifically because I don't have access to your games backend, I can't analyse you Dxdiag or MS Info to check if you have a driver that needs to be updated, but the Support can.

    Now, we know that many map builders think it is unfair to let the possibility for players to download and re-upload maps. We are not incensitive to this concern, but as I said previously, with the "original creator" feature, this is how the Editor is meant to be. For the moment, no satisfying solution has been found that conciliates what some more veteran map builders want, and what we think is best for Arcade: a free circulation of knowledge.
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    Originally Posted by Ubi-JollyCharly Go to original post
    downloading other maps to find out how they are built, or to iterate from them, is a very useful way to learn how to build maps.
    I agree, as do most players; downloading maps to see how certain features/builds were made is VITAL to learning the editor.
    Originally Posted by Ubi-JollyCharly Go to original post
    - why is it written in teh code of conduct that map theft s forbidden?
    this one is on us. We requested our legal department to draft the code of conduct month before launch, and the "original creator" feature wasn't working as it is now. And we forgot to amend this line
    Thanks, we now know the Rules of Conduct is not leading for the community, which explains why requests from map makers to take their 'plagiarized' maps down have not been honored afaik.

    Originally Posted by Ubi-JollyCharly Go to original post
    Now, we know that many map builders think it is unfair to let the possibility for players to download and re-upload maps. We are not incensitive to this concern, but as I said previously, with the "original creator" feature, this is how the Editor is meant to be. For the moment, no satisfying solution has been found that conciliates what some more veteran map builders want, and what we think is best for Arcade: a free circulation of knowledge.
    My stance (and I think most "veteran" builders would agree) is that YES we want free knowledge to circulate. However, when people integrally take the result of another creator's invested time, make no or minimal modifications and republish this work, this to me does not constitute circulating knowledge.

    The Code of Conduct prohibited map stealing, and even mentioned sanctions. Empowering original creators to "protect" their end product from being republished (while still allowing downloading it in the editor to analyze and gain knowledge from it) is often requested by anyone who had their map(s) plagiarized.

    I know implementing such a system could ideally require some things to be reworked, something that may not be feasible to do.
    But still, at the very least, it should be possible to honor original creators' request to simply delete their 'stolen' maps when they report them. Even with no need for further sanctions against the copycat.

    Creators can already request maps to be deleted that they are the creator of. Extend this possibility to also be able to delete maps where they are the original creator of, and it should be the most satisfactory solution possible.
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