Rework makes the dream work (Centurion rework) | Forums

[Knight_Raime]

You reduced all his damage which he didn't even have, effectively making him the weakest hitting character next to Valkyrie. You reduced all his stamina damage. You removed the cutscene. His Unblockable bashes are still the same speed. A 20 damage Light Parry punish which seems completely absurd, but maybe I missed something about it.

All of those massive nerfs in exchange for what? The ability for the Jab/Uppercut to track, giving him a pseudo-50/50, which just guarantees a light and can be rolled out of. Oh, and a new 10-damage move, plus a bunch of stun effects added, because stuns definitely work on non-amateurs.

That's nowhere near a fair or balanced exchange. Players would get used to this within 5 hours of something like this launching. I fail to see how this would even get him out of C-tier, let alone make him competitively viable. In fact, on paper he seems like even more of a noob stomper because of the additional UB and the stuns, which definitely put massive pressure on newbies.

He's supposed to be ''Mix-up intensive'' and a ''Melee specialist'', but if everything you throw out is still dodged or blocked without too much issue, that doesn't make him either.

Damage he doesn't even have. excuse me? Do you even play Centurion? Like no joke. DO you? His damages on his punishes are strong. I can agree that removing his knock down to OOS only was a bit over kill. But everything else is perfectly justifiable. Centurion has the capability of nearly OHKing most heros in a duel and with haymaker he absolutely can. That's exactly why the stamina damage nerfs had to happen. and why his damage had to go down. I will go back and make changes to the first post about the cutscene combo. But I stand by my changes to stama damage and normal damage.

Yes. Jab is already 400ms and doesn't need/shouldn't be faster. The tracking buff helps against early dodges and the soft feint mix up gives a use on a patient player. Kick being executable 100ms into the dodge is a huge buff. I didn't give it the variable timing like conqs because then people would focus around spamming kick. Legion kick was buffed in other areas to make it more useful in a team situation but the 100ms into a dodge and the non need to que a heavy anymore means he can do the same thing shinobi does with his kick/heavy thing. But without the back flip.

As of right now you can parry counter someone and get a free kick completely drain someones entire stamina bar+ a light. That's absurd and needs to be nerfed. And in my rework the light leads into a jab mix up game to continue your combo or end it with the soft feint. Further more because jab counts as a part of a combo I could go straight into the unblockable heavy finisher. Which still has the current soft feint mix up game in addition to being cancelable into the new light soft feint.

Everything can be rolled out of in this game. That's not a legitimate thing to stand on. stuns like 400ms attacks are not fool proof to expert players. that doesn't mean they don't work to chip them away slowly. And besides that the stun effects are more for team fights. Which would absolutely be helpful.

I don't think you quite wrapped your head around what I proposed. He gets more options, more control over the fights, new mix ups, and his current tools become more usable. This comes at the cost of less overall damage and stamina damage. and fyi centurion isn't c tier. he's B in duels.

[Siegfried-Z]

Ironic coming from someone who spends 90% of their time on the form qqing about something.
Centurion isn't fine. if if you actually bothered to read I acknowledged other heros are worse off. No where in my post did I state I wanted centurion to be buffed before anyone else.
So please take your trolling arse out of my thread if you've nothing constructive to add.

Lol his post isn't less constructive than the guy before who says just "he is not usefull in high tier" but you answer with pleasure to this one.

So, constructive for you is to agree with u i gess ? ^^

BTW this guy is right.. Valk before

[Knight_Raime]

Lol his post isn't less constructive than the guy before who says just "he is not usefull in high tier" but you answer with pleasure to this one.

So, constructive for you is to agree with u i gess ? ^^

BTW this guy is right.. Valk before

Nope. If the guy who who agreed with me continued to talk like that instead of give feedback I would have told him to get back to the topic at hand. Sorry it's such a shocker that I respond differently based on the different replies. The only person who's given constructive feedback so far is Evo. Because he's directly commenting on my rework and giving feedback on it.

And again. If you bothered to read i'm not asking Centurion to be buffed over anyone else first. Nor am I saying he's worse off than any other hero. Now either actually give feedback on my rework or i'll just ignore your further replies.