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  1. #1

    Shugoki

    I really feel he has to be the next to be reworked nothing to his move set and demons embrace very risky to use. I think as you play this game for a whole people just parry his lights so he's not viable to use that much thoughts?
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  2. #2
    He is not in a good spot right now.

    My best guess is he won’t get reworked until the end of this year or next year due to character popularity.

    Many people want Valk, Warden, Warlord, Lawbringer to be reworked, so chances for Shugoki to be next is very slim because hardly anyone plays him.
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  3. #3
    Originally Posted by TSCDescon Go to original post
    He is not in a good spot right now.

    My best guess is he won’t get reworked until the end of this year or next year due to character popularity.

    Many people want Valk, Warden, Warlord, Lawbringer to be reworked, so chances for Shugoki to be next is very slim because hardly anyone plays him.
    Not sure if Warlord needs a complete rework but i wouldnt mind a few more combos. I like to play aggressive with him but for a guy that uses a short sword he feels pretty damn clumsy.
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  4. #4
    Originally Posted by kristopee Go to original post
    Not sure if Warlord needs a complete rework but i wouldnt mind a few more combos. I like to play aggressive with him but for a guy that uses a short sword he feels pretty damn clumsy.
    He will get a rework before Shugoki. He’s one of the popular characters up there.

    Shugoki... probably only 5-10% of the playerbase actually mains him, from a PS4 perspective. I rarely see any other Shugoki besides myself after 10 games.

    So yeah, Shugoki is “slowly” dying.
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  5. #5
    I just started playing shug in dominion and he sucks (rep 9 now). Supper fun if you got good team mates but unlikely to be the MVP on a losing team that manages to win because of him.

    1. taking extra damage when HA is down is stupid. Why not just play shamon?

    2. Demon's embrace is so broken compared to shamon's kit. Tracking, recovery, health damage, one shot kill (on the flip side)....they all need to be overhauled.


    3. He needs an Full guard when his HA is down. If he uses the full guard it restarts the timer on his HA. Why does a GB take down hyper armor? GB should have nothing to do with HA.

    4. his Oni charge should be from stand still into run without a delay if its not going to knock down enemies or stamina drain them. It needs more uses then the lucky knock of a bridge or whatever.

    5. His feats in dominion are horrible, one stamina draining feat from another enemy and your dead. He should have a "in combat health recovery" as the last feat. He should have a immunity to stamina draining feat, then immune to bombing. Getting cheesed out of a win because of stamina drain is so fustating with any character. the feat is everywhere in Dominion. When hit by a stamina draining feat you should start the recovery right away that delay till recovery gets me killed SOOO many times. 6.

    6. Why does Ken get an unblockable feat?...sorry that just always bugges me. why not give Shug a passive or non passive feat that blocks all unblockables. honestly I think unblockables are stupid in a game that is trying to simulate real combat. Why not make Shug the one opponent you have to fight fair?

    7. Shug should have a way of forcing people to fight him instead of people running away only to gank him later. Yea you can get people with the zone sometimes (predictable) but to many times I've had people who refuse to fight me alone with full health. A cumbersome feat would be nice where no one in demon ball radius can run from you only walk.

    8. Demon ball to wall damage should be a thing.

    9. He has no openers. Shug has to tutle to get a hit in so he trade HA for action constantly. Give him a stunning headbutt to open and reduce the stamina drain on the one he has now or get rid of it...its op.


    Honestly I don't know how to fix Shug to perfection but he is very underwelming in dominion especially now with all the o-roaches around and stamina draining feats characters have in their kit. I'm pretty good but he just doesn't have that easy feeling to him. He is like Orochi before his buff....worthless. Sure you can be good with him and enjoy his play style but he was underwealming to an enemy.

    Inshort, get rid of the stamina draining effects in dominion on shug and give Shug something to spam to help open up and slow down characters besides a headbutt that he gets after a confirmed light.
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    One last thing in case I forgot. His Hit points to change depending on how many enemies he is facing. Like if he gained 75 points per enemy in the vicinity or locked onto him. If he had something like that as a passive everything else could stay the time and I'd be happy with him. He should be a powerhouse not a weak little kitten with a big gun.
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  7. #7
    Quick ways to help the Shugoki.

    Remove the extra damage he takes from losing Uninterruptable Stance.

    Attempting to GB a Shugoki, which he successfully CGB, should not consume his stance up. If he fails to CGB the it should remove his Stance but otherwise do nothing more. Also successfully blocking attacks should not delay his Stance recovery.

    Allow Charge of the Oni to knock opponents over who are OOS or if you hit them while your Revenge is active. Finally reduce the Stamina recovery time.

    Give him a Light-Light and a Heavy-Light move set... Because his attacks are so slow I would do the following to all his chains.
    All second attacks in a chain gain one of the following effects based on the type of attack, also second Light attacks cannot be followed up with a headbutt.
    Light attacks are guaranteed to hit.
    Heavy attacks become unblockable.

    With his zone attack, make the second hit unblockable.

    Headbutts can ledge and wallsplat opponents.

    Demon's Embrace, remove the health penalty on a miss (if the Shaman doesn't have that penalty then nor should the Shugoki). Also allow it to recover Stamina based on how much health is recovered. Next a slight increase in time before another DE can be used (but NOT a delay in making other actions).
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    I got him yo rep 8 before I got bored with him, here's my take on Shugoki.

    His attacks are powerful but slow, besides light+head butt he has nothing remotely safe to enter combat with. His completely relies on others to make mistakes to do damage, more so than any other class.

    He's so slow movement wise that he can't really apply pressure either, if your opponent decides he is going to lose, he just has to turn and run and you don't get the kill.

    He needs some mix ups like other heroes have gotten, a heavy swing that can be soft feinted into a butt end or punch, or even a GB.
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  9. #9
    Don't mention soft feinting into a headbutt! Last time I suggested that I got practically screamed at for suggesting cheese! Haha

    The GB idea I do like though.
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  10. #10
    If I were to add larger changes I would do the following:

    Give the Shugoki an attacking move that is similar in appearance to Charge of the Oni but instead allows him to hit an opponent with a heavy that either stuns the opponent and stops them moving or knock them over completely. The attack would be undodgable and unblockable wirh a quick enough recovery time so the Shugoki can re-engage his previously fleeing opponent.
    This could be inputted like Charge of the Oni but you press heavy attack for it to track the nearest enemy in range and swing for them and yes this should always have HA.

    Remove his Staggering Blow feat in favour of the Warlords level 3 extra health feat (but make it a level 4 for Shugoki).

    Increase all of the Shugoki's movement speed (including Charge of the Oni), say by 10%. The won't break him but at least gives him a chance to help allies or capture points when his team is breaking.

    Give his heavies a soft feint like the Kensei's Pommel strike.This could be instead of the previously mentioned GB cancel.

    Edit: A small-medium Stamina increase. If the Shugoki is going to play like a tank he needs something to keep hin fighting.
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