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[Lunatic LK47]

Oh, I realise it's not the point you are making. I'm just saying it could be a lot harder if the devs really sat down and thought about all the unpredictable things the player could face.

Truth is, it gets much harder the higher you are. The whole game does (especially super-UNIDAD which I'm not convinced isn't the result of a compromise) and seem to pop up at the merest disturbance, even in the middle of nowhere.

On your point about Op availability. You can use the UI to bypass it and just select something else to do. The ability to go anywhere in the game, even get yourself in way over your head, is part of it's design (and charm). -- At the end of the day, the idea of Ghost Ops isn't all that unlike 3rd Echelon (4th is another matter you will have to play Blacklist to understand), just the objectives are very different. So you can certainly go in guns blazing, but you are just a force of four; up against OpFor that has everything at their disposal and home turf advantage.

I'd say the reason why there isn't a threat level indicator of any kind is probably because the devs want you to work it out for yourself. -- Y'know "give it a go" because different players will react differently to such indicators. Either the game becomes a grind between ranges, or they disregard it anyway (guilty here!).

It's not very clear, but the way I look at the mission, is that it's not even on, until you approach the location at 21:00. Regardless of the comm's chatter to alert you to it. -- So it's not like Sam's actually waiting for you for days rummaging around a dead body, til you rock up. Therefore you're free to do other things. Perhaps the devs could find a,way to make such things clearer, if that's the case. So one doesn't feel pressured to act before they are ready.

That middle part of the mission. Sam is bleaching the server. Just make sure you call your fire team in to your location and hold that upper floor. Then exfil according to your desire. -- I would definitely recommend not attempting to exfil out the main causeway..

This is a bit if a cryptic clue: But this mission really should be called, "GO RIGHT!!, No, no your OTHER left!" -- Approach it like you are playing MGS Twin Snakes.

Uh, the squad A.I. is VERY inconsistent. If you are a very low level, they will die off before they even enter the building. Let’s not even forget the fact that they could cause your mission failure while You’re TALKING TO SAM.

[Paladinrja]

Uh, the squad A.I. is VERY inconsistent. If you are a very low level, they will die off before they even enter the building. Let’s not even forget the fact that they could cause your mission failure while You’re TALKING TO SAM.

Nah, works fine for me. You're not suppose to expect complexity of them (that means don't ask them to do stupid things). Many times I even find myself reacting to them when they're in trouble or to help them finish maneuvers.

Was a lot worse when the game first started. They couldn't barely maneuver. Now they quite easily get from point A to B. If the OpFor maneuvers to their route, yah, one might go down. Pretty unlucky when that happens. Especially UNIDAD that act like virii attacking an open wound.

While you're talking to Sam is the best time to call them in. Everything's more or less on hold.

What I do is have them hold in cover along the fenceline. Infil the building. Tag the three sniper posts. Talk to Sam while they are locking in. Soon as he's done briefing: Activate the sync shot and immediately call them to my position. That let's me approach the balcony, call in a diversion (at the entryway), indirect fire around the turret (I already baited with C4 for extra AoE), and call in reinforcements. Have the guys hold the second floor with me (inside with Sam), which takes care of the three entry ways; while I focus on the choppers.

Every time they wander off. Recall and rehold position. It's a high level Op. No matter how you turn it. -- I mean, there's a whole platoon in there! -- If you're attempting it as soon as you start a game; as good as you are, you're new, in country and barely setup. At least clear Itacua.

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[Edgemoor]

Oh, I realise it's not the point you are making. I'm just saying it could be a lot harder if the devs really sat down and thought about all the unpredictable things the player could face.

Truth is, it gets much harder the higher you are. The whole game does (especially super-UNIDAD which I'm not convinced isn't the result of a compromise) and seem to pop up at the merest disturbance, even in the middle of nowhere.

On your point about Op availability. You can use the UI to bypass it and just select something else to do. The ability to go anywhere in the game, even get yourself in way over your head, is part of it's design (and charm). -- At the end of the day, the idea of Ghost Ops isn't all that unlike 3rd Echelon (4th is another matter you will have to play Blacklist to understand), just the objectives are very different. So you can certainly go in guns blazing, but you are just a force of four; up against OpFor that has everything at their disposal and home turf advantage.

I'd say the reason why there isn't a threat level indicator of any kind is probably because the devs want you to work it out for yourself. -- Y'know "give it a go" because different players will react differently to such indicators. Either the game becomes a grind between ranges, or they disregard it anyway (guilty here!).

It's not very clear, but the way I look at the mission, is that it's not even on, until you approach the location at 21:00. Regardless of the comm's chatter to alert you to it. -- So it's not like Sam's actually waiting for you for days rummaging around a dead body, til you rock up. Therefore you're free to do other things. Perhaps the devs could find a,way to make such things clearer, if that's the case. So one doesn't feel pressured to act before they are ready.

That middle part of the mission. Sam is bleaching the server. Just make sure you call your fire team in to your location and hold that upper floor. Then exfil according to your desire. -- I would definitely recommend not attempting to exfil out the main causeway..

This is a bit if a cryptic clue: But this mission really should be called, "GO RIGHT!!, No, no your OTHER left!" -- Approach it like you are playing MGS Twin Snakes.

I get what you are saying, but from what someone says you still get the phone call at 21:00 hours even if the mission isn't selected. It also means you don't get the Spas 12 until you almost complete infiltrating the base.

I also accept that the game scales as you level, but I think this mission is way too difficult for new players that are just levelling up. It needs to be optional, perhaps talk to Bowman at a starting location for example.

[Paladinrja]

I get what you are saying, but from what someone says you still get the phone call at 21:00 hours even if the mission isn't selected. It also means you don't get the Spas 12 until you almost complete infiltrating the base.

I also accept that the game scales as you level, but I think this mission is way too difficult for new players that are just levelling up. It needs to be optional, perhaps talk to Bowman at a starting location for example.

The call is just a reminder the mission is there. Sam isn't even at the base until just before you arrive; and have been absent from the area outside 2Km from the base before you approach it. Due to the fact it's a specific time slot, if perhaps why you get the call everyday at 21:00.

It scales up to lvl50. T1 I wouldn't call "scaling" more like trading places. All the ancillary effects of your skills go to enemies and you basically undo all your progression, progressively. All enemies do everything faster, they don't suffer any foils or foibles (or at least it happens so fast you'd never notice), they can shoot through the edge of a keyhole. Anything center mass they'll soak at least two rounds, even from some very nasty guns. -- In short, T10-1 becomes a massive camp-fest. They never miss, never have to search unless you are over 200m away, prone and in cover. Have extended range and rate of fire. 4x speed vehicles, that will ram you (basically human missiles) and they'll drop grenades upon death, if they are nearby useable assets (so you can't have them) especially when they contain resources.

A good analogy is driving around a race track in your whizz-bang sports car, and every time you do a better lap; the track morphs and you find your car increasingly becomes unable to respond to your input, so you're constantly running off the track, hitting walls and blowing up. -- If SB call in support, you don't just get SB support groups, you get UNIDAD too, so they get twice the support, which literally spawn just outside the periphery of your mini-map.

So.. learn the game and think diabolically. I don't really care too much, but I can understand why so many people find it stressful.

[MjrOu812]

I agree with most....the sam fisher mission has ruined this great game, I stopped playing it due to this broken uncalled for mission...I hope they fix this in the july update, but I dout Ubisoft will?

[Lunatic LK47]

Nah, works fine for me. You're not suppose to expect complexity of them (that means don't ask them to do stupid things). Many times I even find myself reacting to them when they're in trouble or to help them finish maneuvers.

Was a lot worse when the game first started. They couldn't barely maneuver. Now they quite easily get from point A to B. If the OpFor maneuvers to their route, yah, one might go down. Pretty unlucky when that happens. Especially UNIDAD that act like virii attacking an open wound.

While you're talking to Sam is the best time to call them in. Everything's more or less on hold.

What I do is have them hold in cover along the fenceline. Infil the building. Tag the three sniper posts. Talk to Sam while they are locking in. Soon as he's done briefing: Activate the sync shot and immediately call them to my position. That let's me approach the balcony, call in a diversion (at the entryway), indirect fire around the turret (I already baited with C4 for extra AoE), and call in reinforcements. Have the guys hold the second floor with me (inside with Sam), which takes care of the three entry ways; while I focus on the choppers.

Every time they wander off. Recall and rehold position. It's a high level Op. No matter how you turn it. -- I mean, there's a whole platoon in there! -- If you're attempting it as soon as you start a game; as good as you are, you're new, in country and barely setup. At least clear Itacua.

I call ******** on that. You are NOT able to give orders when talking to Sam, and the problem is, it takes a full two minutes before you are able to go back to gameplay. Attempted this over a hundred times total, and let’s face it, UbiSoft screwed up on quality control, period.

[Edgemoor]

I call ******** on that. You are NOT able to give orders when talking to Sam, and the problem is, it takes a full two minutes before you are able to go back to gameplay. Attempted this over a hundred times total, and let’s face it, UbiSoft screwed up on quality control, period.

It's a very difficult mission. I'd say the screw up is down to the fact it isn't optional. If they made it so you had to talk to Bowman, or someone else it would be fine.

[Lunatic LK47]

It's a very difficult mission. I'd say the screw up is down to the fact it isn't optional. If they made it so you had to talk to Bowman, or someone else it would be fine.

Actually, the difficulty is ARTIFICIALLY HARD because of the bad quality assurance. There is no way around it. I am left with the impression that very little thought was put into designing this mission.

[Edgemoor]

The call is just a reminder the mission is there. Sam isn't even at the base until just before you arrive; and have been absent from the area outside 2Km from the base before you approach it. Due to the fact it's a specific time slot, if perhaps why you get the call everyday at 21:00.

It scales up to lvl50. T1 I wouldn't call "scaling" more like trading places. All the ancillary effects of your skills go to enemies and you basically undo all your progression, progressively. All enemies do everything faster, they don't suffer any foils or foibles (or at least it happens so fast you'd never notice), they can shoot through the edge of a keyhole. Anything center mass they'll soak at least two rounds, even from some very nasty guns. -- In short, T10-1 becomes a massive camp-fest. They never miss, never have to search unless you are over 200m away, prone and in cover. Have extended range and rate of fire. 4x speed vehicles, that will ram you (basically human missiles) and they'll drop grenades upon death, if they are nearby useable assets (so you can't have them) especially when they contain resources.

A good analogy is driving around a race track in your whizz-bang sports car, and every time you do a better lap; the track morphs and you find your car increasingly becomes unable to respond to your input, so you're constantly running off the track, hitting walls and blowing up. -- If SB call in support, you don't just get SB support groups, you get UNIDAD too, so they get twice the support, which literally spawn just outside the periphery of your mini-map.

So.. learn the game and think diabolically. I don't really care too much, but I can understand why so many people find it stressful.

We are talking at cross purposes here I think. I'm not debating the in's and out's of the mission itself, or it';s validity or integrity.

This thread isn't about the nitty gritty of what to do or not. It's about the fact it is one of, if not the, toughest mission in the game and you are reeled in very strongly to do the mission there and then. You get in game reminders every single time at 21:00 hours, which is in itself annoying and frustrating. If you go after the Spas 12 shot gun you won't get the choice.

The point is simply; it should be optional, and you should have to start it manully. Ideally talking to someone like Bowman.