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  1. #11
    Originally Posted by MikeWeeks Go to original post
    Meaning never interacting with Eli at Wolf's Den, correct?
    well after first encounter with jacob you are brought to wolf den so you have to go there at least one time
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    Originally Posted by Gr4nt8r0dy Go to original post
    well after first encounter with jacob you are brought to wolf den so you have to go there at least one time
    Understand that, I've interacted w/ Eli, but haven't done his missions, nor have I gone back after the second encounter with Jacob.

    I'm simply wondering regarding the specifics of the original comment.
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    Originally Posted by MikeWeeks Go to original post
    This would seem to validate the opinion that the RPs are indeed filling much too quickly.

    As for destroying shrines after defeating Faith - to what end? For what purpose? It can't be in order to obtain RPs, since that's already maxed out, right?

    Folks are reporting specific missions aren't available (disappearing or "auto-completing") after defeating a region's boss.
    But what I don't get is why it matters. Why are people working on the assumption that killing the boss is the very last thing that should be done? I find it quite refreshing that the 'boss level' doesn't spell the end of the game - that's how all other games do it and I don't mind the change at all.

    As for doing the side missions after a boss's death, so what? After I killed Faith there was still a spattering of cultists in the area, clinging on to her reign and carrying out her orders, so destroying the rest of her shrines and carrying out missions that fought against her rule makes perfect sense.

    If missions are being auto-completed, then I can confirm it's a bug and not by design, because I've certainly not encountered it.
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    Originally Posted by OurJud Go to original post
    But what I don't get is why it matters. Why are people working on the assumption that killing the boss is the very last thing that should be done? I find it quite refreshing that the 'boss level' doesn't spell the end of the game - that's how all other games do it and I don't mind the change at all.

    As for doing the side missions after a boss's death, so what? After I killed Faith there was still a spattering of cultists in the area, clinging on to her reign and carrying out her orders, so destroying the rest of her shrines and carrying out missions that fought against her rule makes perfect sense.

    If missions are being auto-completed, then I can confirm it's a bug and not by design, because I've certainly not encountered it.
    A well-designed open-word game shouldn't force you towards the boss fights on its terms, but generally speaking on the terms the player decides. Unfortunately by just interacting with the game world that's what obtaining those RPs does, and the impression is clearly Ubisoft wants the player to do the boss fights rather quickly given the current RP numbers structure.

    I'm currently doing as much free-roaming as possible and avoiding specific activities because of the RP structure. I really shouldn't have to do that as I explore the world - especially for the first play through.
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    Originally Posted by MikeWeeks Go to original post
    I'm currently doing as much free-roaming as possible and avoiding specific activities because of the RP structure. I really shouldn't have to do that as I explore the world - especially for the first play through.
    But this is what I don't get. Why can't you explore the world after killing the boss?

    I decided early on that my aim was going to be to trigger the encounter with the bosses as quickly as possible, so that I could free-roam, do side missions etc in peace, as free-roaming is what I enjoy most about open-world games.

    I think I'm probably in the minority, but I really don't mind the way the game's been structured. The forced captures are a pain, but I see them as a separate irritation to the one being discussed here.
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    Originally Posted by OurJud Go to original post
    But this is what I don't get. Why can't you explore the world after killing the boss?
    Basically in an open-world FPS environment that's doing it backwards, IMHO. Once free of the tutorial, you should wish to explore, see what it has to offer without it quickly drawing towards a boss fight, with forced captures that in turn dump you on some far reach of the map from where you were "captured".

    There have been multiple posts on the ideas by others as to what should be the game's reaction when you engage the gaming world while in free-roaming - not speeding up the meter drawing you towards a boss fight.

    There's a world of difference in exploring following the boss fights versus prior, if I'm understanding what others have posted. For example I'm not interested in having the resistance interact when attempting to take an outpost. I'd rather be that solo player attempting to take it, with the possibility that even more enemies might show up if my attempt goes south.
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    Originally Posted by MikeWeeks Go to original post
    Understand that, I've interacted w/ Eli, but haven't done his missions, nor have I gone back after the second encounter with Jacob.

    I'm simply wondering regarding the specifics of the original comment.
    Do Eli missions before filling up the bar for Jacobs region

    i don't want to go into spoilers just trust me
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    Originally Posted by OurJud Go to original post
    How does the game dwindle in content. People keep saying this but they can't back it up.

    It doesn't matter how quickly you defeat the boss, no content is 'lost' .
    not including the scripted stuff, like missions auto-completing (couldn't care less tho), but the REAL content being the various random encounters, allowing you to dispatch and destroy things in creative/improvised ways. the random, dumb ****, is the only redeeming quality for the series.

    again, when a region is liberated, the enemy encounters go bye-bye. it's the worst sandbox design since the emergent stuff is the core content, which eventually disappears.

    are you purposely being obtuse, or do you really not understand the concept of a sandbox, or even the main attraction of the far cry series? the resistance meter is stupid af, period

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    Originally Posted by AgentSeta Go to original post
    Do Eli missions before filling up the bar for Jacobs region

    i don't want to go into spoilers just trust me
    Oh, I do understand.

    However, w/o any spoilers, actually do the missions, or have them available to be done?
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    Originally Posted by studnoth1n Go to original post
    not including the scripted stuff, like missions auto-completing (couldn't care less tho), but the REAL content being the various random encounters, allowing you to dispatch and destroy things in creative/improvised ways. the random, dumb ****, is the only redeeming quality for the series.
    What missions auto-completing?? I'm not seeing any of this. It wouldn't have mattered if I'd killed faith within the first ten minutes of the game, I'd still have as much to do afterwards than I would if I'd spent five weeks chasing her down.

    It just sounds like nothing more than conditioning if you ask me. You're so used to games where the boss is the ultimate goal, the end of the game, the main aim. It seems you're unable to accept the way it's been done here, not because it doesn't make sense or it (supposedly) robs you of content, but because it's an approach you're not familiar with.

    Originally Posted by studnoth1n Go to original post
    [...] are you purposely being obtuse, or do you really not understand the concept of a sandbox, or even the main attraction of the far cry series?
    I understand the concept of sandbox games perfectly - I play them exclusively.

    Originally Posted by studnoth1n Go to original post
    [...] the resistance meter is stupid af, period
    You say this like it's a fact. It's not. It's an opinion, and not one I share. Deal with it.
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