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    Something needs to be done about Striker builds...

    I do have a Striker build, I like it, its fun, its powerful.

    But seriously, everyone and their brother is running Striker in PvP/DZ, its getting pathetic. I don't wanna sit here and say its a no skill build, that the people who suck at PvP run this to make up for their lack of skill.. But if you want to be competitive and win the majority of your fights you're dumb not to use the best build/setup available to you right?

    I'm a victim of this because I run mostly other builds in the DZ and I notice a huge difference when I run Striker its like its easy mode.

    The other day me and a friend, running in DZ, myself running D3 and him running Reclaimer took on 2 rogues running Nomad, we wiped them, was a good fight and took a while because one guy proc'd his Nomad 3 times. Yet we won. So we go about our business, and low and behold about 5 minutes later we see Rogues pop up again, we run over and sure enough its the guys we just killed, and oh look, they switched to Striker builds while in the Checkpoint. They ended up killing us needless to say and of course I called them out for being cowards but whatever, people don't care anymore.

    SIDE NOTE:

    What I don't understand, is why in PvE I can tank 6-10 elite legendary mobs and a Hunter in the Amherst Apt legendary, but in the DZ a striker can destroy my shield in about 10 seconds...Things is I don't like calling for nerfs, but the prevalence of shotgun Strikers and the ability to build stacks so quickly is just dumb. If you fight someone using Striker using a House or AR it seems like a fair fight, but if they're using a shotgun the damage is just insane. You can literally get close to 50 stacks in just 3 shots of a shotgun. I hope/pray for the sake of the remaining time we have with Division before D2 comes out the DEVs do something at the very least about tweaking the stack building with shotguns.
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    Out of curiosity because it wasn't made clear: how were they cowards? Because they switched to Striker or because check point camped?

    Anyways, I used to care about the PVP integrity of the game. The devs just took too long make changes to stuff so then I stopped caring because the damage was already too severe by the time they nerfed or buffed something. Also, there's a modifier on Shields in PVP, that's why your shield was getting taken out that fast.
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    Originally Posted by Merphee Go to original post
    Out of curiosity because it wasn't made clear: how were they cowards? Because they switched to Striker or because check point camped?

    They lost one fight in a valid 2v2 situation and instead of trying to alter/improve their tactics they decided to go easy mode and switch to a sure thing. Its the equivalent of getting in a fist fight, losing, running home, grabbing a knife then coming back to fight the same dude with said knife.
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    Originally Posted by DuRkaMore34 Go to original post
    Its the equivalent of getting in a fist fight, losing, running home, grabbing a knife then coming back to fight the same dude with said knife.
    The game is basically rock, paper, scissors.

    At first they had paper and you beat them with your scissors.

    Then they came back to smash your scissors with their rock.

    They did alter their tactics, and they beat you. Pretty simple really.

    If you're looking for a fair fight in the DZ, then you're simply wasting your time.

    Fight dirty, fight to win!
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    Originally Posted by illformed Go to original post
    The game is basically rock, paper, scissors.

    At first they had paper and you beat them with your scissors.

    Then they came back to smash your scissors with their rock.

    They did alter their tactics, and they beat you. Pretty simple really.

    If you're looking for a fair fight in the DZ, then you're simply wasting your time.

    Fight dirty, fight to win!
    Though, to be fair in the current balance of the game, rock also beats paper.
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    Originally Posted by illformed Go to original post
    The game is basically rock, paper, scissors.

    At first they had paper and you beat them with your scissors.

    Then they came back to smash your scissors with their rock.

    They did alter their tactics, and they beat you. Pretty simple really.

    If you're looking for a fair fight in the DZ, then you're simply wasting your time.

    Fight dirty, fight to win!
    I hear you, but they didn't alter any tactics...They switched to an "I win" build, and for the record they didn't beat us "pretty simply", just FYI. Yes we could've switched to Striker too and I have no doubt we would've killed them, because they weren't that good. The point is, Striker is just too much compared to any other build.

    I agree with your assessment in terms of paper rock scissors and its a sad state to be honest but then we could get into balance in just about any PvP related game in the history of gaming and ultimately you'll get down to that old adage as well to some extent.

    At any rate, I called them cowards cause they couldn't beat us on even ground, come on a 9K stamina D3 and a Reclaimer versus 2 Nomad builds? Your recourse is to just switch to Striker cause its your "I win" build? That's cowardly..and the analogy is accurate.
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    I quit reading or caring at the part where you called them cowards for killing you. I hope you get ganked to the point of quitting from now on.

    Sore losers are still losers.

    Your balancing opinions are invalid. Opinions in general really.
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    Coward is a strong word for some dudes just playing a game..

    From my understanding of the word,cowards usually run away from a fight,not back into one..
    I doubt fear had much to do with them using the tools they had to adapt to the situation..

    If they would have ran home and got a hack and came back,that would fit more with your knife scenario..But using something that is built into the game for all players to build on,like load outs..That's just playing the game..
    You weren't a victim of a hack..
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    Originally Posted by DuRkaMore34 Go to original post
    I do have a Striker build, I like it, its fun, its powerful.

    But seriously, everyone and their brother is running Striker in PvP/DZ, its getting pathetic. I don't wanna sit here and say its a no skill build, that the people who suck at PvP run this to make up for their lack of skill.. But if you want to be competitive and win the majority of your fights you're dumb not to use the best build/setup available to you right?

    I'm a victim of this because I run mostly other builds in the DZ and I notice a huge difference when I run Striker its like its easy mode.

    The other day me and a friend, running in DZ, myself running D3 and him running Reclaimer took on 2 rogues running Nomad, we wiped them, was a good fight and took a while because one guy proc'd his Nomad 3 times. Yet we won. So we go about our business, and low and behold about 5 minutes later we see Rogues pop up again, we run over and sure enough its the guys we just killed, and oh look, they switched to Striker builds while in the Checkpoint. They ended up killing us needless to say and of course I called them out for being cowards but whatever, people don't care anymore.

    SIDE NOTE:

    What I don't understand, is why in PvE I can tank 6-10 elite legendary mobs and a Hunter in the Amherst Apt legendary, but in the DZ a striker can destroy my shield in about 10 seconds...Things is I don't like calling for nerfs, but the prevalence of shotgun Strikers and the ability to build stacks so quickly is just dumb. If you fight someone using Striker using a House or AR it seems like a fair fight, but if they're using a shotgun the damage is just insane. You can literally get close to 50 stacks in just 3 shots of a shotgun. I hope/pray for the sake of the remaining time we have with Division before D2 comes out the DEVs do something at the very least about tweaking the stack building with shotguns.
    Massive buffed the player damage to the shield up to a stupid amount. Yay for "PvP" balancing. Same thing they did to firecrest flame turret, seekers, sticky ect..... nerfed into the ground.
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    Originally Posted by X_Trapnel Go to original post
    Isn't this rather hypocritical considering you just posted a rant about being killed in a lower bracket dark zone?

    Striker is ridiculously overpowered. End of discussion. It makes the Alphabridge of 1.5 seem weak in comparison.

    Prior to 1.8, I would have bought The Division 2 the very second that pre-orders became available. Now I'm two minds about whether I'll even bother with the sequel. Why? Because it's very obvious that Massive have learned absolutely nothing from the various patches of the first game. They keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

    It doesn't matther if you pve or pvp, the game is a complete mess right now. Just look at the two new legendaries, the Resistance mode and West Side Piers to see that Massive's approach to pve has considerably dropped in quality. Almost nobody plays Resistance as it was meant to be played and WSP is a ghost town that nobody with half a brain will ever step foot in once all the collectables have been gathered.

    Go to Last Stand and what do you see? 16 players with a House/M4. On average, I'd guess at the gear being used to be 12 Striker, 3 Predator and 1 Nomad. (My experience anyway.)

    The moment one of these youtube or twitch "celebrities" get their arses kicked using any other gear set, they quickly change to Striker and rush back to put the noobs "on the floor".

    Also, mckrackin5324, I don't think you can criticise someone for expressing their "opinions". What else is the forum for?
    There's a big difference between higher geared players dropping tiers to basically cheat against new players and someone losing a fight in tier 5 to an equally geared player.

    Also,I am talking the the personal attacks he claimed to make on them afterward.

    And for the record,I was never killed in a lower bracket. I would never even consider PvP in the lower bracket because I know there are new players there and I would be cheating.

    Yes,Striker is the most powerful set in PvP. Winning a fight while using Striker doesn't make you a coward. It makes you...not stupid.
    Calling someone a coward in an online game on the other hand,literally makes you a coward.
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