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    People are only complaining about those sections if they they are naive and don't understand the context. (mostly teenagers and youngsters who are unlikely to understand the reality behind mind-control techniques).

    To elaborate - It isn't "lazy programming" at all, the point of those missions is that Jacob want's to create a sleeper assassin to kill Eli, and he does that by inducing pain/trauma in you, thus forcing DID ("dissociative identity disorder") which he manipulates in order to force you to participate in repetitive training (with some some classical conditioning), in order to make you his perfect sleeper assassin.

    Those missions seem like hallucinations, because your mind is disassociating from the pain Jacob has induced in you. And they are repetitive, because Jacob is training you in exactly how to kill Eli without you even knowing it.
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    Originally Posted by gunsmithkitty Go to original post
    People are only complaining about those sections if they they are naive and don't understand the context. (mostly teenagers and youngsters who are unlikely to understand the reality behind mind-control techniques).

    To elaborate - It isn't "lazy programming" at all, the point of those missions is that Jacob want's to create a sleeper assassin to kill Eli, and he does that by inducing pain/trauma in you, thus forcing DID ("dissociative identity disorder") which he manipulates in order to force you to participate in repetitive training (with some some classical conditioning), in order to make you his perfect sleeper assassin.

    Those missions seem like hallucinations, because your mind is disassociating from the pain Jacob has induced in you. And they are repetitive, because Jacob is training you in exactly how to kill Eli without you even knowing it.
    LOL, well I hate it, but not for the most common reasons, but because like most other things in the story element of this game there IS NO CHOICE. Yeah, I was a killing machine all through this set, got all the way to the end everytime and didn't die or repeat unless I got real careless. It was an ok run, got me perk points due to killing people with guns I don't normally use, IE Assault rifles and SMGs, so this was all good. The issue came about when I turned the corner and instead of another person with a gun, I saw the end NPC you were being trained to kill and DIDN'T KILL HIM...I had about a minute left on the timer and I stood there watching him hold his bow and not shoot me......guess what...."YOU'RE WEAK!!" And start over from the runs beginning, until you HAVE TO KILL HIM. So how the heck can I restart a run if I am somehow INSIDE the bunker of that NPC when the timer runs out??? NOPE, gameplay, YOU HAVE TO KILL HIM, no choice, no other way, sorry don't like it don't play.....another railroad in this game.
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    Spoiler alert
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    totally agree with this
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    Originally Posted by modmcsupersport Go to original post
    LOL, well I hate it, but not for the most common reasons, but because like most other things in the story element of this game there IS NO CHOICE..
    This is what the writers were going for... They were trying to make a point that as a player you are nothing more than an 'actor' within a fixed narrative, and that choice in videogames is nothing more than an illusion because you will ultimately end up meeting whatever fate the writers have written for you, regardless of 'choice' (or lack thereof).
    Sure there are elements of an emergent narrative (during free-roam), but any story-based game is largely focused on fixed narrative.

    This is confirmed during Hurk's mission (The Prodigal Son), which references the play "Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead", as this play addresses the same point - albeit for literature, rather than games.
    And this is probably the funniest thing in the whole game. Especially as he calls Rozencrantz "Brozencrantz".

    Originally Posted by Hurk"
    Oh hell yeah man! We're like Brozencrantz and Guildenstern over here. Man I love the theatre.
    Oh, and I just realized that this is even further confirmed by the Zombies DLC, which (at the end) basically tells you that the whole Montana/cult thing was nothing more than a Guy Marvel movie. Further emphasizing the point that you are just an actor and thus don't have any choice in the outcome.
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    Well if I can finish the captures, anyone can Whenever there was a capture party warning, I fast travelled til I'd explored everything. Actually, for Jacob's capture, I was mostly able to just run like crazy through the rooms each time and avoid a lot of the idiots trying to kill me. John's region was hard but I did a bit of hiding, which helped lol... Just need to complete the game by facing Joseph ... one day
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    Playing 3rd time on New Game + on Infamous level. World is Weak is impossible at this level, while the actual gameplay is no harder than hard level. So at this level, yes, it is a loop that prevents you from progressing with the game. Total waste of time that spoils the game.
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    Some of us have jobs

    Deal with it?!
    Some of us have real jobs, careers actually, not jobs. We solve real-world problems and many of those are very frustrating. We don't need more of this in our spare time. Not worth it.

    Originally Posted by Frag_Maniac Go to original post
    LOL, that's not an "endless loop", nor do you get stuck in it as implied, unless you're actually so bad that you can't get to the end of it. Plus it changes a bit each time you go through it, as the training course gets longer.

    Just deal with it, the truth is Jacob's boss fight is the only good one in the game. It starts out a bit annoying, but it ends well. John, Faith and Joseph all have bad boss fights. John's would be OK if it weren't for the crap controls.

    That said, kinda stupid they have Jacob be the one that acts and looks all macho, yet he can't even manage shaving himself. Maybe Joseph ordered all the mirrors destroyed thinking it would cause narcissism. LOL
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    Originally Posted by jabbawok1965 Go to original post
    Playing 3rd time on New Game + on Infamous level. World is Weak is impossible at this level, while the actual gameplay is no harder than hard level. So at this level, yes, it is a loop that prevents you from progressing with the game. Total waste of time that spoils the game.
    Nah, I beat it on infamous and I wouldn't even claim to be all that great at the game, so it's certainly not impossible...
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