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    Someone breakdown this shotgun mess for me

    I will be the first to admit, I am not a very good PvP player, but what is the deal with the pump action shottys firing like an AR? I have read about the chronusmax stuff, but is it really that rampant? I have tried to run the showstopper to help build my striker stacks, but don't have much luck with it (again it could be that I am not that good). I had better luck in Last Stand using DE to get kills (trying to get the kill 10 players with Smart Cover commendation). Other than running a chronusmax, what should I be doing with the shotgun and which one should I be using?
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    This has been going on for some time and as you can see no one wants to even talk about it let alone do anything about it. The striker shotgun is a mess that has plagued this game for some time. The devs will patch and nerf anything that has given players an advantage. Examples the seeker mines, Alphabridge, rapid fire mod and the glitch that increased your firearms but for some reason they see that there is a weapon combined with a gear set that gives players an unfair advantage by killing you with two or three shots. There is no other weapon or gear set that can match this combination. If you remember they nerfed sentry call from working with full auto weapons, then Alphabridge was nerfed so we can no longer use six weapon talents. But nothing is being done about striker shotgun. Or maybe they don't give a rats behind because they are working on the division 2. If they would stop the shotguns from stacking we would stand a chance but as you can see by your post being unanswered by other members no one want to talk about it.
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    Originally Posted by BULLET TRAUMA Go to original post
    This has been going on for some time and as you can see no one wants to even talk about it let alone do anything about it. The striker shotgun is a mess that has plagued this game for some time. The devs will patch and nerf anything that has given players an advantage. Examples the seeker mines, Alphabridge, rapid fire mod and the glitch that increased your firearms but for some reason they see that there is a weapon combined with a gear set that gives players an unfair advantage by killing you with two or three shots. There is no other weapon or gear set that can match this combination. If you remember they nerfed sentry call from working with full auto weapons, then Alphabridge was nerfed so we can no longer use six weapon talents. But nothing is being done about striker shotgun. Or maybe they don't give a rats behind because they are working on the division 2. If they would stop the shotguns from stacking we would stand a chance but as you can see by your post being unanswered by other members no one want to talk about it.
    That right there. Multiplied when facing a team of 4 who all have striker or nomad!

    It quite simple.... they gave the striker the ability to outheal and outdmg every other build. Which shows you how well designed these sets were.... and balanced too.
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    you can def get good with one without Cronus but even the best players cant compare to a decent cronus user. Most use a Tact Sasg or Super 90, if you get the pop shot down you can be deadly with it but as you can imagine, if you come across someone using a cronus with it then you dont stand much of a chance. I dont let those F'ers get close to me, once i see and hear that Cronus those clowns will always be shot first. And yes, you can see most cronus users as they have the chicken dance programmed to one button, they hold it down and their agent strafes back and forth, they hold a different button down and its auto headshots. I dont like talking bad to people but i talk bad to these clowns, they have ruined the game almost as much as Ubisofts inaction.
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    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    you can def get good with one without Cronus but even the best players cant compare to a decent cronus user. Most use a Tact Sasg or Super 90, if you get the pop shot down you can be deadly with it but as you can imagine, if you come across someone using a cronus with it then you dont stand much of a chance. I dont let those F'ers get close to me, once i see and hear that Cronus those clowns will always be shot first. And yes, you can see most cronus users as they have the chicken dance programmed to one button, they hold it down and their agent strafes back and forth, they hold a different button down and its auto headshots. I dont like talking bad to people but i talk bad to these clowns, they have ruined the game almost as much as Ubisofts inaction.
    So coronis got upgrades? What I am curious about is how soon before it just plays for you? Cause I would love it to go into the DZ and farm for me while I am at work, would make it worth actually buying one. Then again, why would a person even ever play if they don't actually play?
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    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    you can def get good with one without Cronus but even the best players cant compare to a decent cronus user. Most use a Tact Sasg or Super 90, if you get the pop shot down you can be deadly with it but as you can imagine, if you come across someone using a cronus with it then you dont stand much of a chance. I dont let those F'ers get close to me, once i see and hear that Cronus those clowns will always be shot first. And yes, you can see most cronus users as they have the chicken dance programmed to one button, they hold it down and their agent strafes back and forth, they hold a different button down and its auto headshots. I dont like talking bad to people but i talk bad to these clowns, they have ruined the game almost as much as Ubisofts inaction.
    Not just cronis is it though!? Go look at any vid on youtube giving players tips on what to do, to become better at pvp. The game has an inbuilt aim assist for controllers which is absolutely pathetic for use in pvp. It practically does all the aiming for you. Go check the game settings and youll find it. Make sure to turn it on like all those pro-players in the darkzone. Theres even a nice little section in a Marco Style vid where he calls out such a player (striker/showstopper) who melted his team. At first the player said he did not use aim assist then when Marco asked him to record a one vs one with him (inc. the settings screen right before they started) - he (not Marco) bottled it.

    If the devs put in aim-assist as a feature and it gets abused what sort of **** is that?
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    Originally Posted by agentCoats Go to original post
    Not just cronis is it though!? Go look at any vid on youtube giving players tips on what to do, to become better at pvp. The game has an inbuilt aim assist for controllers which is absolutely pathetic for use in pvp. It practically does all the aiming for you. Go check the game settings and youll find it. Make sure to turn it on like all those pro-players in the darkzone. Theres even a nice little section in a Marco Style vid where he calls out such a player (striker/showstopper) who melted his team. At first the player said he did not use aim assist then when Marco asked him to record a one vs one with him (inc. the settings screen right before they started) - he (not Marco) bottled it.

    If the devs put in aim-assist as a feature and it gets abused what sort of **** is that?
    For sure, thats why the pop-shot with the shotguns is so brutal and should be removed like they did with the M870, all im saying is that its still obvious, at least to me when someone is using Cronus or is just good at the aim-assisted pop shot. As far as Marco getting owned, i would of told him to F off as well even if i wasnt using it but i dont know why they would allow it on PC as its much easier to aim on there.
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    And don't forget about the range either. I was in the DZ and put a bag on the rope. Got about 30 feet away. Guy comes up to rope, laughs, goes rogue, and kills me from the rope before I could ever get 15 rounds with my m4. It's not just the automatic head shot and rapid fire, but the range of it that also is broken. I won't even equip a shotgun in pvp because I don't want to play that way.
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    This shotgun meta has been going on every since striker was introduced and may be even earlier with gold builds and its terrible. You have no chance against it if a single shotgunner has his stacks up you can for get it close or at distance you are dead. Ive said it a thousand and one times. The devs will fix any glitch or in game mechanic that will give a player an edge. But they let the shot gunners run the servers. I played a game and it was at least three sets of four running striker shotguns every one got fed up and left the server. if you fight a group of 4 shotguns you may get one but your survival is short lived. Two and three shot kills is to much. it takes a least a half a magazine and 100 striker stacks with the house to kill a player so how can a shotgun do it in two to three shots. Ill say this again striker should not work with shotguns.
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    The range on shotguns is ridiculous. In PVE it’s insane. They can still get you from 100 meters away.

    Striker PVP needs changing. If you can’t do anything about Cronus then surely you would change what you can and can’t do, weapon wise. Take shotguns away from strikers and it fixes most of the problem. You can get one striker up against 3 and if he has 9k stam he can’t still drop them all.

    Only thing you can do is keep your distance and play as dirty as they do dropping shock turrents. Otherwise it’s goodnight Irene.

    The worst is when you hear them openly talking about using their Cronus.
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