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    Optimized 291 level armour + 286 weapons, but no impact on Rogues, why is that?

    I do not expect to compete with specialised Rogues who have PVP skills I do not have, but at the level I am at I do expect to at least take some health off them but Ubisoft has it set up in their favour so you can not and some are cheating so that "you can't touch 'em."
    I have optimized my Nomad Classified Armour to 291, similar for my 2 main weapons at 286 which are a 121 magazine Big Alejandro and a 63 shot magazine The House, so the weapons are more than decent, they have good talents and I have loaded up on CHC, CHD and EAD stats with DTE mods giving an additional 15% boost.
    Last night I dropped a Fire Turret at an extraction which I mistimed slightly, leaving 2 seconds on the clock, so a rogue ran in, dropped his support station and began cutting the rope. I opened fire and the turret set him on fire but he kept cutting, I poured 3 X 63 shot magazines from my weapon The House which is moderate at 348K DPS, into his head at point blank range, while he burned but it did not stop him cutting the rope, while it made some impact he hit booster shots and a heal and managed to cut the rope.
    Really, 189 rounds at point blank while a Rogue is on fire and still I can not stop him.
    Tonight, having learned from this episode so when a rogue starts cutting the rope, the 1st thing done is, after having dropped the fire turret when close to the rope, I shoot his support station and then start firing into his head at point blank range, while he is on fire, this time he has to roll away and the extraction is saved but having expended so much and taken fire from a friend who turned up during the rope cutting I do't get far and am killed.
    2 other episodes where I have successfully extracted and then 2 individual episodes, 2 rogues turn up and I hit both with a full 121 shots from the Big Alejandro into their heads but take almost nothing off them, 121 shots from a 1,000 RPM at close range, the issue I have is that the 1st rogue was level 284 and the second 281 so most likely neither has Classified Gear sets, certainly not optimized but despite being fully optimized and having superior weapons I am shredded by 2 agents 7 and 13 levels below where I am at, running most likely Gear set armour or a mix. I only have an expectation that I should be somewhat competetive and have at least an impact, but absolutely not, I can not make any impact, especially in light that neither dropped a support station, but they were untouched by 121 rounds from A Big Alejandro and I am BND.
    Explanations:
    1. They are cheating and have advantages and protections so that I will never be able to touch them.
    2. Ubisoft has stacked the game so much in the favour of the rogues that decent equipped agents can not compete even with rogue agents running inferior gear and weapons.
    3. Combination of the above 2 together.
    The DZ sucked tonight, made approximately 12 extraction calls and in every instance a rogue turned up at least, I headed off for another site to extract, or they cut the rope, 2 times, one saved,one lost, or as on 4 occasions, killed my agent. Over whelming rogue presence making the DZ not much fun.
    Bring on a DZ PVE option and I will be there, would not miss the Rogues one iota, especially as "you can't touch 'em"
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    For 1.
    First off he could have been cheating. But without seeing a video or some server logs (which we are not privvy to) be difficult to say for certain.

    Second if they can cut a rope without a turret affecting them, then you need to kill their station first. Or use grenades to stagger them.

    Third the biggest reasons that you dont do hardly any damage it seems to me, are your tactics and equipment. Dont bother with EAD and DTEs in pvp.... they are the wrong options for pvp. Better off speccing in extra damage, health, edr or skill haste if thats your thing.

    For 2.
    Rogues do have the advantage mostly if you are outnumbered and if youre a solo farmer then you will almost always be. Therefore you either have to be able to kill one while remaining alive and then focus on the other - like the pros do (on youtube) or you run and evade. If you are at an extraction dont bother putting stuff on until the last 5 seconds.

    Im a predominantly PvE player but I do enjoy running in the dz, mostly farming, and I wouldnt want the dz to change that much tbh. Takes away the risk/reward element which is why I play it. Sure you do have to have a separate gearset specced to pvp play. You also have to learn the mechanics and adopt certain tactics to either survive or kill while not dying. Or both. Or you avoid the DZ entirely and make like it doesnt exist. Sure I know thats poor but there you go. Whatever they do in TD2 there does need to be some late-game mode that allows for players to farm/do pve stuff in the LZ. Maybe at a slower pace or something.
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    Yeah good advice and I follow the late extraction advice most times but it is remarkable when you don't that a rogue is nearby to take advantage.
    Most times I love running in the DZ but lately the rogue levels has been so high it becomes a real grind to deal with them and remains focused and feel like it is still fun.
    All I am hoping to achieve is to have some impact but when you are optimized, have good weapons and fire repeatedly at their head while they cut the rope or they are firing at you but you make no impact with a Big Alejandro or The House which absolutely shreds yellow LMB's and Riker's and the Big machine gunner's or the Big Cleaner Bosses, but it won't touch a rogue at all? Why is that, what is the extra they have that I can not touch them with a perfectly decent set up.
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    If this was on PC then they were almost certainly cheating - it's got completely out of hand and UBI seem to be able to do nothing about it
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    Originally Posted by yamxt6002016 Go to original post
    ....good weapons and fire repeatedly at their head while they cut the rope or they are f but you make no impact with a Big Alejandro or The House which absolutely shreds yellow LMB's and Riker's and the Big machine gunner's or the Big Cleaner Bosses, but it won't touch a rogue at all? Why is that?
    Nomad with 9000 Stamina? Guessing here as you say nothing about your stats, apart from the fact that you spec into DTE and EAD.

    Those two stats right there are useless.

    You know that, right?

    Absolutely useless!

    So why are you using them?

    Why are you relying on EAD ( no, a rogue is not that enemy that that stat refers to) and DTE? ( I know you know a rogue is not an Elite).

    As for Nomad, the moment you stack 9K stamina you are shooting marshmallows. They heal faster than your marshmallows can tickle.

    Your setup is very very far from perfectly decent if you want to pick a fight with a rogue, or go rogue yourself for that matter. It’s perfectly decent for shooting bots, yes. Not for much else.
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    Originally Posted by Chief_Snapper Go to original post
    If this was on PC then they were almost certainly cheating - it's got completely out of hand and UBI seem to be able to do nothing about it
    Not on PC I am on PS4 which seems to have less issues than PC but there are cheats on all platforms.
    I have a post tonight about being shot through the walls of DZ2 West checkpoint and killed INSIDE the checkpoint.
    It was deliberate fire as I rolled across the Check Point but still was hit by a stream of fire, it was very potent as it destroyed my normally strong 291 Optimized Classified Set: Nomad, in short time.
    No defence against that, firing through the walls of a check point.
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    Gear score really means nothing. It gives an indication of how much you play. But if your gear set is rolled poorly and a 281 is rolled well then you’ll get trounced.

    My striker set is at 291. But I get melted by pred because I didn’t roll towards bleed resistance of EDR. My pred is it 285 and I run with 2 houses and it’s ridiculous the power I have.

    My nomad is at 290 and I am tough as nails. Not because of the path of the nomad 10 life stuff. But because I rolled it very well. 60% CHC with 100% dmg. Plus 53% bleed resistance. If I use booster and drop a immunity box it’s hard to kill me and I cause lots of DMG.

    So yeah i get that you are shooting him point blank but without being a nob. Your roll may be poor, and his/hers, very very good.
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    Sometimes you have to chalk it up to lag too. If you ever record your fights and go back and watch you can tell if your shots aren't registering, if you've played enough you can tell in the middle of the fight if your shots are not registering.

    Today for example I was in the DZ and there was a manhunt for one guy, I kid you not 6 of us were fighting him at the Construction site, now I imagine some of them were noobs but I highly doubt all 6 were that terribad that it literally took us over 5 minutes to kill him. He was zig zagging bobbing and weaving all over the place, he'd run through us, get a little distance turn and try to burst someone down, but with all us shooting at him and we could barely hit him. I noticed at one point I put about 20 rounds his way and saw literally ONE damage marker show.

    So something was off, I suspect the way he was moving he was using K+M also. We finally killed him, but it was ridiculous how much damage he took, and he had decent burst damage also.
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    You cannot hack damage mitigation guys! I would say the build is not optimised for pvevp game play. You guys are in a PVEVP area and you are using a pve build. I would change the fire turret to a shock turret to..
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    Originally Posted by IIllIllIllIIlIl Go to original post
    Nomad with 9000 Stamina? Guessing here as you say nothing about your stats, apart from the fact that you spec into DTE and EAD.

    Those two stats right there are useless.

    You know that, right?

    Absolutely useless!

    So why are you using them?

    Why are you relying on EAD ( no, a rogue is not that enemy that that stat refers to) and DTE? ( I know you know a rogue is not an Elite).

    As for Nomad, the moment you stack 9K stamina you are shooting marshmallows. They heal faster than your marshmallows can tickle.

    Your setup is very very far from perfectly decent if you want to pick a fight with a rogue, or go rogue yourself for that matter. It’s perfectly decent for shooting bots, yes. Not for much else.
    Thanks for the advice I have 2 Nomad sets so I will look to set one up for PVP, changing the stats to better options for fighting rogues. Cheers.
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