"Conqueror bash is punishable, you just don't know how to do it" | Forums

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

You're either a troll, or you really don't know how shinobi works. Functionally that grab IS a guardbreak, and it's a bug that it just passed right through him. Either that, or a normal guardbreak would have also whiffed, leaving me open.

A normal GB would not have whiffed. Thats the point we are trying to make but you keep ignoring. Why would that move work, youre throwing a chain at an opponent 2 inches away.

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

the point he is making sb cannot be punished

i hope for the sake of the game ubisoft will fix this forward dash into sb crap already

What did he do to punish the Conq?

You guys are ridiculous, complaining about a move so easily telegraphed.

[CandleInTheDark]

The problem is the moment you started the ranged gb was when the conqueror was in invincibility phase from the dodge whereas a regular gb after he missed would have hit. On top of that you were predictable, you painted yourself into a corner by deliberately whiffing a light in order to backflip to go into the gb, if he hadn't already committed to dodging through it he could have just waited for the cgb or parry.

Had you back dodged without the whiffed light you would have had a gb, had you kicked, that has priority over everything so far as I am aware (haven't played him against the season 4 characters) but certainly over the conq charge.

[PepsiBeastin]

The problem is the moment you started the ranged gb was when the conqueror was in invincibility phase from the dodge whereas a regular gb after he missed would have hit. On top of that you were predictable, you painted yourself into a corner by deliberately whiffing a light in order to backflip to go into the gb, if he hadn't already committed to dodging through it he could have just waited for the cgb or parry.

Had you back dodged without the whiffed light you would have had a gb, had you kicked, that has priority over everything so far as I am aware (haven't played him against the season 4 characters) but certainly over the conq charge.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were defending his bash being immune to certain forms of punish.

[Tirik22x]

A normal GB would not have whiffed. Thats the point we are trying to make but you keep ignoring. Why would that move work, youre throwing a chain at an opponent 2 inches away.

This.

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were defending his bash being immune to certain forms of punish.

Even if it was immune, even if it WAS, your example is poor play. Its user error.

[CandleInTheDark]

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were defending his bash being immune to certain forms of punish.

Not at all, only over the things unblockable bashes normally aren't punishable by such as attacks and guardbreaks which even from range is what you threw. You have one of the few things that does beat a bash while it is in unblockable phase, the shinobi kick, and you instead went for a gb while he was still in unblockable phase, look carefully at when your attack initiates with the blue flash. Any other gb would have failed at that point in time so yours not hitting is working as intended, not a bug, your attack wasn't a punish, your attack was trying to override something it cannot.

You're not showing us conqueror being broken, you're showing us bad gameplay and decision making against a conqueror. As has been said in this thread, a regular gb had you not deliberately whiffed the light to go into ranged gb, thrown after the orange on his shield had disappeared, would have connected, not the game's fault you decided to be fancy and go for an unnecessary backflip first then mistimed the gb attempt.

[CandleInTheDark]

So this is a double post but let's go over it moment at a time. You have just come out of one backflip after a bash (conqueror shield white at the start of your clip), he rotates his guard, for some reason you throw a light out of range, at this point he charges, not being able to punish you for a whiff because you backflip. At the exact moment you initiate gb, he is in unblockable meaning no gb is going to work against him, he then goes into recovery phase as your attack misses, he comes out of recovery phase while you are going into it and guardbreaks you.

So at worst you whiffed an attack, at best you were going for that backflip. You then tried a guardbreak at a time guardbreaks don't work, because of this you were in recovery phase just as he was coming out of his. The whole thing was entirely on you there.

[PepsiBeastin]

So this is a double post but let's go over it moment at a time. You have just come out of one backflip after a bash (conqueror shield white at the start of your clip), he rotates his guard, for some reason you throw a light out of range, at this point he charges, not being able to punish you for a whiff because you backflip. At the exact moment you initiate gb, he is in unblockable meaning no gb is going to work against him, he then goes into recovery phase as your attack misses, he comes out of recovery phase while you are going into it and guardbreaks you.

So at worst you whiffed an attack, at best you were going for that backflip. You then tried a guardbreak at a time guardbreaks don't work, because of this you were in recovery phase just as he was coming out of his. The whole thing was entirely on you there.

...Shinobi's ranged guardbreak doesn't determine a hit based on when the attack starts, it's when the kama reaches the enemy.

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

...Shinobi's ranged guardbreak doesn't determine a hit based on when the attack starts, it's when the kama reaches the enemy.

Give it a rest, while I argue how balanced SB is, this example does nothing for either side. Its user error. Just move on.