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[Vakris_One]

Yeeeah, anyway... Seems like for some characters the Conq's shield bash is not punishable while for others it is. Does anyone have a list of who can and cannot punish a whiffed Conq shield bash? From my experience I know that Shugoki, Highlander and Aramusha cannot get a free GB even if they dodge the bash successfully. Orochi can punish it with a dodge strike so I assume most characters with a dodge strike can punish it, although with Kensei it sometimes works and sometimes the Conq blocks it, is that intended?

[Arekonator]

Yeeeah, anyway... Seems like for some characters the Conq's shield bash is not punishable while for others it is. Does anyone have a list of who can and cannot punish a whiffed Conq shield bash? From my experience I know that Shugoki, Highlander and Aramusha cannot get a free GB even if they dodge the bash successfully. Orochi can punish it with a dodge strike so I assume most characters with a dodge strike can punish it, although with Kensei it sometimes works and sometimes the Conq blocks it, is that intended?

Going just by the numbers, but shoudnt Ara be able to get the GB? At least on side dodge, since he got 500ms recovery on that (and 900ms on back dodge so 100% not on that).
Going from my own experience, warlord cant punish, lawbringer can get shove but that doesnt guarantee anything. I would assume anyone with 600ms or more and no dodge attack cannot punish. Kensei got really tight timing considering how slow it is and that it can be delayed, but its possible.

On somehow related note: what about the free fullblock proc from minions, giving you unavoidable uppercut? I think that shoudnt be there and personally looks more like oversight than intended mechanic.

[Knight_Raime]

Yeeeah, anyway... Seems like for some characters the Conq's shield bash is not punishable while for others it is. Does anyone have a list of who can and cannot punish a whiffed Conq shield bash? From my experience I know that Shugoki, Highlander and Aramusha cannot get a free GB even if they dodge the bash successfully. Orochi can punish it with a dodge strike so I assume most characters with a dodge strike can punish it, although with Kensei it sometimes works and sometimes the Conq blocks it, is that intended?

Mushu should be able to if side dodging it. IIRC anyone who has 600ms dash recovery or better should be able to.

[Tirik22x]

What can you even do against his zone?

[Knight_Raime]

What can you even do against his zone?

Unless you're a hero who has access to a hyper armored unblockable the only thing you can do is parry.
it's blatently op.

[Vakris_One]

Going just by the numbers, but shoudnt Ara be able to get the GB? At least on side dodge, since he got 500ms recovery on that (and 900ms on back dodge so 100% not on that).
Going from my own experience, warlord cant punish, lawbringer can get shove but that doesnt guarantee anything. I would assume anyone with 600ms or more and no dodge attack cannot punish. Kensei got really tight timing considering how slow it is and that it can be delayed, but its possible.

On somehow related note: what about the free fullblock proc from minions, giving you unavoidable uppercut? I think that shoudnt be there and personally looks more like oversight than intended mechanic.

Mushu should be able to if side dodging it. IIRC anyone who has 600ms dash recovery or better should be able to.

Thanks for the info guys. Ok so it's a numbers thing. Musha should get it then, I haven't played him in a while so I'm probably not recalling correctly.

Why did they intend for Conq's shield bash to work like this? Before his rework I can understand keeping it since he needed all the help he could get but he doesn't need this unequal immunity to punish anymore.

[Arekonator]

So, seems like we have conflicting info, but my experience says that 600ms isnt enough to punish it on reaction, only on prediction. Which is risky because possible delays/gb mixups.

And i REALLY REALLY want them to fix/nerf that free fullblock heavy from minion strikes, It makes him almost impossible to fight on the minion lane. If somethong about him needs nerf, its 100% that.

[UbiJurassic]

Just want to hop in and remind people that this thread is about discussing Conqueror. While most of you have done a great job keeping it on topic in here, let's drop the creepy, off topic discussion. The people I'm referring to should already know who they are.

[RenegadeTX2000]

Regarding Conqueror shield bash. dodging something that's 500ms is not as easy as people make it out to be, People can't even block 500ms attacks from aramusha and you are telling me to dodge something that's equal to that speed and that can be delayed to catch early, late dodge attempts. No. lol... Maybe set the window to when conqueror can perform shield bash would be better balanced. The window of when he can let it rip is dumb.