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[Vakris_One]

Is it really necessary to necro a long dead thread cos you don't know what broken means? This thread was wrong back when it was first posted and it's still wrong now.

Check out the testing I did:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8DcfhGJxIeA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_RjQp6rUk0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GTNVz5UpU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDtS3it6olg

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[SpaceJim12]

Again people complaing about Kensei dodge attack. Yes, it's strong move. But only in a right hands. Nowadays, if you see Kensei who always try to dodge heavy, just bite him there and punish. And if he will continue, you could do the same again and again.=)
I'm afraid that Tiandi will be nightmare for you. Dodge attack, that could be feinted to another dodge attack/light/kick...

Once I met a Kensei, who just do this move again and again. Even without visible reason. I just stand there, wait my stamina goes up, and he just "Swift Strike, fool!" and I was like "Wait, what?" than parried, than killed him. =_=

I curious, why people never complaing about pommel strike, that is way harder to bite or predict.

[Awlkara]

Again people complaing about Kensei dodge attack. Yes, it's strong move. But only in a right hands. Nowadays, if you see Kensei who always try to dodge heavy, just bite him there and punish. And if he will continue, you could do the same again and again.=)
I'm afraid that Tiandi will be nightmare for you. Dodge attack, that could be feinted to another dodge attack/light/kick...

Once I met a Kensei, who just do this move again and again. Even without visible reason. I just stand there, wait my stamina goes up, and he just "Swift Strike, fool!" and I was like "Wait, what?" than parried, than killed him. =_=

I curious, why people never complaing about pommel strike, that is way harder to bite or predict.

The thing I really hate, is that if I prefer to dodge his attack and counter, he just has armored lights.

I'm okay with armor but armored lights are the dumbest thing ever.

He has an answer to all counter play against him.

[SpaceJim12]

He has an answer to all counter play against him.

Let's just hope, that every hero will has it.=)

[Vakris_One]

The thing I really hate, is that if I prefer to dodge his attack and counter, he just has armored lights.

I'm okay with armor but armored lights are the dumbest thing ever.

He has an answer to all counter play against him.

You say that like you don't have the same ability to answer him with counterplay for every single thing that he does. If you're not using a character with hyper armour then don't answer his dodge attack with a dodge attack. Parry it instead. Simple. Pommel strike? Light attack him out of his slow top heavy windup and you'll also stuff him out of any soft feint that he may try to attempt from his top heavy from neutral.

Heavy finisher mixup? Be patient and wait to react to what he does. Get used to the timing of when he can no longer feint out of the top unblockable and you'll be able to parry it confidently without wondering if he'll soft feint it. The key thing about fighting a Kensei is being patient and not reacting too early. If you're impatient or go full aggro then you're just playing to his strengths.

[Awlkara]

Let's just hope, that every hero will has it.=)

I hope so as well, just not with armored lights.

You say that like you don't have the same ability to answer him with counterplay for every single thing that he does. If you're not using a character with hyper armour then don't answer his dodge attack with a dodge attack. Parry it instead. Simple. Pommel strike? Light attack him out of his slow top heavy windup and you'll also stuff him out of any soft feint that he may try to attempt from his top heavy from neutral.

Heavy finisher mixup? Be patient and wait to react to what he does. Get used to the timing of when he can no longer feint out of the top unblockable and you'll be able to parry it confidently without wondering if he'll soft feint it. The key thing about fighting a Kensei is being patient and not reacting too early. If you're impatient or go full aggro then you're just playing to his strengths.

So the answer is turtling? I thought we were trying to avoid that meta.

If facing a hero and the only way to beat him is to wait for him to do anything then that is a problem.

[Vakris_One]

I hope so as well, just not with armored lights.


So the answer is turtling? I thought we were trying to avoid that meta.

If facing a hero and the only way to beat him is to wait for him to do anything then that is a problem.

It's not turtling. Turtling involves sitting there and doing nothing, never even risking an attack and that's the exact reason Kensei got given the pommel strike, to force a reaction. Being patient and not reacting too soon is not turtling. It's remaining cool under pressure and maintaining control of the fight moment by moment rather than launching attacks brazenly without consideration as to your opponent's counterplay.

Kensei's soft feint options thrive on encouraging his opponent to react too soon and thus react incorrectly. If you maintain the presence of mind to calmly react to his soft feints then you are that much more likely to shut a Kensei down completely. That doesn't mean never attacking, as I already said one of best ways to shut Kensei out of his pommel strike mixup is to stuff him out of it with any 500ms light attack on reaction to his top heavy from neutral. What I am saying is you have to be aware of what you can safely punish with an attack and what you cannot - like answering his dodge attack with a dodge attack is not safe unless you have hyper armour and can trade with him.

A Zerker for example can definitely go full aggro on a dodge happy Kensei and come out the winner. It's also about knowing your hero's strengths and how that matchup plays against your opponent's hero. If you're used to fighting against quicker heroes for example and thus reacting instantly as soon as you see an indicator flash then a Kensei with his slower soft feints will eat you alive unless you settle down and pay proper attention to his soft feints.

[Vakris_One]

I actually covered this in your thread where you asked for tips and advice on how to fight against Kensei.

https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...sei?p=13600180

[SpaceJim12]

So the answer is turtling? I thought we were trying to avoid that meta.

If facing a hero and the only way to beat him is to wait for him to do anything then that is a problem.

I thought, that Kensei rework made him OP, but than I played him for three reps, and now I have two things: understanding of his weaknesses, and understanding why he really needs his rework. If being honest, I think for now Kensei is a only char, who have all he need after rework. No more, No less.
After season 5 I honestly played almost every char in a roster for couple reps, and change a lot of my minds about OP/UP chars.=)

[pennywise83]

Everyone here Instead complaining about the kensei, should just start playing one to rep5 at least. Just to learn how to deal with it and after that, maybe complain about it. kensei needs room to move, feints and soft cancels drains a lot of stamina. In tight spaces the kensei is a free meal.