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[Tecknoterrorist]

Im sad to say you, orochi is the easyest class i ever play. I read this thread and i tryed orochi. I just spam top and i kill all my enemies with 2 hit. I just feint top into double top or feint top to top, or again feint top to zone. Some time i used dodge attack and gb with again top.. yes orochi need rework but because is easy to use. He are the most fast hero of the game and do a tons of damage just with top. And this is why 40% of the players use it, is the most used hero of the game and not because is hard to play but completly the opposit.

[SuguruMisato]

What? In English please.

[LEGENDz_31]

If you're going to make absolute statements like him i've no reason to actually entertain a discussion with you.

Where did I say a absolute statement that we can’t discuss? I did say that I do agree with his points 100% (not the attitude)but that’s my opinion. I say this with respect but I find it interesting that all the guys who are saying that Orochi is not far off compared to other characters are new to him. Is it possible that at rep 2-3 you may not have played enough time or good players to really see his short comings? Beta orochi is not the orochi we have now. I know I am rep 3 on Shinobi and although I have a basic understanding of his kit I would by no means say I know the ins and outs of the character.

Other charecters can attack at all angles we can’t against good players. Side lights are as slow as some heavies. Our reflex guard will show us move guard to the right spot but the delay causes us to be hit by the attack. We are a counter attacker that good players simply won’t attack because they know we have no way to attack them if they hold top guard. I can bait someone into a attack, back step and Storm rush right as soon as the the swing miss’s and they can still react in time to block it.

You say we are 4-5 moves away from being on par with other characters. I agree with that but those 4-5 moves are huge and hopefully will be the big difference from the “trash tier” we are now to viable against any class.

Again all respect buddy just giving my two cents.

[wolfman25br]

Knight has brought us valuable points, the screaming for the buff is out of focus. But im afraid I disagree with some conclusions

It is important to point out that there are good orochi, and Yes, they can be effective, but for this you a year worth of training is required, perfecting and knowing every aspect of the other characters to countteract, and do absolutely zero mistakes. ( one light parry and his is done against some heros)

Many are asking openers, but he should not have any of that, saying that I think the tools he current has are still insufficient (in number and quality) to be an effective counter attacker.

Deflect is still too risky to be worth committing to Riptide cant be feinted, and still be gb or whiif punished.

As I said before I would like to see him with a bigger options to play for bait / faint / punish.

What pains me is exactly that to be a competitive orochi, you need tons of experience, to be unforeseeable, do not make any mistakes. It's a quite stressful. kkk

As I said before I would like to see him with a bigger options to play for bait / feint / punish.

Exaggerating a little , you have to be god to win with Orochi, or just choose Shaman (insert others)...

[CandleInTheDark]

I say this with respect but I find it interesting that all the guys who are saying that Orochi is not far off compared to other characters are new to him. Is it possible that at rep 2-3 you may not have played enough time or good players to really see his short comings?

Mmk, on orochi itself fair point

But

Out of 55 rep points I have 26 on pure assassin characters,a further 14 are in hybrids who are part assassin (so 40 all in all,my others are 7 in warden and conqueror and 1 in kensei all of which I use dodge whiff punishes as I do my assassins). The only other hero with any assassin to them that I have not touched yet is the centurion. I also have a good few hours practisicing against level 3 bots with orochi, I have always intended to use him but not until I was ready to commit to putting a rep point in him (aforementioned ocd). 9 of my rep points are in peacekeeper and I very much believe that she is a counter attacker done wrong, have been calling for a rework to lessen her light spam since season 1 and don't want to see the orochi whose concept is sound but needs a little more viability turn into a second peacekeeper.

I have always been fully up front in that I am not high rank enough the turtle meta applies as much outside of when players hit critical health, but I have in duels with orochi over the last day done pretty well against people who are ranked as higher than my skill level, maybe part of this is I am using the orochi in means that they are not used to. My last battle, I got away with using storm rush and riptide until my opponent was in critical but whereas he had an answer for forward dash before that point, he was finished by that in each round, so different options do differently in different times. Also one thing I always link back to is Hhhmmm in the season 3 hero series launch, he showed that orochi is viable in high levels and that he is able to use his whole kit,essentially he lost to out of lock exploits and a fall over bug that was no part of what he or his opponent did and he landed every move in the orochi kit.

Yes I know that compared to others he needs work,never once said that isn't true, but I don't think he needs the work a lot of mains who want storm rush and riptide strike to be openers say he does, because used right, those are the first blows to chains that take away half the bar and a reward that high should come as a result of reading and outplaying your opponent, not because you were first to press that button.

[LEGENDz_31]

Mmk, on orochi itself fair point

But

Out of 55 rep points I have 26 on pure assassin characters,a further 14 are in hybrids who are part assassin (so 40 all in all,my others are 7 in warden and conqueror and 1 in kensei allof which I use dodge whiff punishes as I do my assassins). The only other hero with any assassin to them that I have not touched yet is the centurion. 9 of my rep points are in peacekeeper and I very much believe that she is a counter attacker done wrong, have been calling for a rework to lessen her light spam since season 1 and don't want to see the orochi whose concept is sound but needs a little more viability turn into a second peacekeeper.

I have always been fully up front in that I am not high rank enough the turtle meta applies as much outside of when players hit critical health, but I have in duels with orochi over the last day done pretty well against people who are ranked as higher than my skill level, maybe part of this is I am using the orochi in means that they are not used to. My last battle, I got away with using storm rush and riptide until my opponent was in critical but whereas he had an answer for forward dash before that point, he was finished by that in each round, so different options do differently in different times. Also one thing I always link back to is Hhhmmm in the season 3 hero series launch, he showed that orochi is viable in high levels and that he is able to use his whole kit,essentially he lost to out of lock exploits and a fall over bug that was no part of what he or his opponent did and he landed every move in the orochi kit.

Yes I know that compared to others he needs work,never once said that isn't true, but I don't think he needs the work a lot of mains who want storm rush and riptide strike to be openers say he does, because used right, those are the first blows to chains that takeaway half the bar and .a reward that high should come as a result of reading and outplaying your opponent.

I really don’t think we are as far off on our opinions as it may sound in this thread. I’m not sure a opener is the answer as well. In fact I hate the direction all the charecters are going with hyper armor and unblockables. In the beginning of the game they had class’s have a more define pros and cons but now they are making all the rework and new class have everything while still limiting us on top heavy and zone. Making side lights more viable would go a long way to help on its own. I would like deflect, being that it is a hard skill, cancel out a chains (with hyper armor) like parry does. Give us some way to have a chance(small chance even) to live while getting ganked. That would go a long way to help.

I respect everyone’s opinion on the forums especially you candle. Orochi is my baby and my baby needs help

[XJadeDragoonX]

The orochi doesn't need much. The problem is everyone has unblockable and that's all anyone on here cares about so they can gang rape people in 4v4. Just make it so his heavy deflect can be activated at any time the same way the gladiators unblockable works. Let it be feintable. Bam. Perfect. No need to thank me.

[CandleInTheDark]

I really don’t think we are as far off on our opinions as it may sound in this thread. I’m not sure a opener is the answer as well. In fact I hate the direction all the charecters are going with hyper armor and unblockables. In the beginning of the game they had class’s have a more define pros and cons but now they are making all the rework and new class have everything while still limiting us on top heavy and zone. Making side lights more viable would go a long way to help on its own. I would like deflect, being that it is a hard skill, cancel out a chains (with hyper armor) like parry does. Give us some way to have a chance(small chance even) to live while getting ganked. That would go a long way to help.

I respect everyone’s opinion on the forums especially you candle. Orochi is my baby and my baby needs help

Yeah 4v4 I am finding harder, so certainly I can see where changes like that would do well on a 4v4 standing, it is a matter of whether the devs feel stopping hyperarmour would be balanced in duel but since they have several times buffed deflect and are hinting that is where they see him doing damage, it isn't something I would think unreasonable either. Like you say I don't think we are far away, my primary concern is not changing the whole playstyle of the orochi and not turning him into a character that can just ignore the primary purpose of his kit like the peacekeeper can ignore her bleed kit as her lights are more viable.

I like all of the assassins and intend to put time into all of the characters as a whole (4v4 pug player being well rounded in my roster in top gear was higher priority) so certainly I want them all in a healthy place, it is why I have never called for nerfs or overreacted to any buffs

[Devils-_-legacy]

Ive got to admit I didn't see some of the "buffs" people suggested like a safe opener I really don't agree with them that would kinda ruin orochi for me tbh but my bad candel and knight I thought you 2 where trying to say he's didn't need any tweeks or buffs I can't wait for his rebalance/rework I stopped using him back in s2 give me a reason to pick him up again

[CandleInTheDark]

Ive got to admit I didn't see some of the "buffs" people suggested like a safe opener I really don't agree with them that would kinda ruin orochi for me tbh but my bad candel and knight I thought you 2 where trying to say he's didn't need any tweeks or buffs I can't wait for his rebalance/rework I stopped using him back in s2 give me a reason to pick him up again

I want all the characters to be viable and have their individual playstyle, I am just opinionated enough in some things that sometimes that doesn't come across lol so no worries from my end.