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[LEGENDz_31]

Since beta to now orochi hasn't received many changes.
I'm hardly new. No time spent in customs is recorded. Further more i've been dueling pretty much exclusively since launch on more than just one hero.
So the rep for any hero I have isn't going to be insanely high. But if you want to attempt to write off my points over something as irrelevant as rep then by all means go ahead and leave the thread.

I react and block just fine with reflex guard. Even if I would buy your point about it i'd rather say it's more harmful on glad because it's only up for 500ms. Orochi's is up for much longer.
Saying good players won't attack is a strawman. Because that forces me to contest that claim rather than discussing the original topic. If you are getting your storm rush blocked you're attempting to use it on attacks that have little to no recovery. Which is still possible to hit them anyway. But you'd have to SR on prediction and not reaction. If SR was any faster than is it would be able to be used on lights on reaction. Which was a problem.

Didn't mention moves. I said 4-5 tweaks. and I didn't say on par either.

Never said you are new. You are basically saying in your original post that if you think that orochi is bottom tier(trash tier) that we are playing him wrong. I happen to think that in his current state he is bottom tier.

You said rep doesn’t matter. I think rep is experience with the character. I think that 8,600 player kills does mean something. I played nearly 10 full days as orochi but hey your right we must not be playing orochi right.

You mentioned that I said that orochi is not the same as in beta(I ment how effective he was then to now) and you replied that his skills haven’t changed a lot. I agree with you on that and that is the problem. Our tool kit stayed static while new characters and reworks expanded.

[LEGENDz_31]

So a guide about how to turtle properly with orochi

Just kidding very well written Raime. But you make it sound too easy. You know that in "high" level play an orochi is probably doomed from the lack of option. I mean throwing a light from the different side of the zone just want to get parried hard.

If we put two players with same amount of skills and experience,one on orochi and one on the rest of the assasins who really has the tools to be more creative and play better mindgames through the fight? That's where my problem with orochi stands.

If he can outplay the other heroes? Definitively every single one of them. But comparing his double top and zone with shamans full kit on jumps,bleeds,soft feints and unblockables for example it feels like i use a stick to fight a full plate armored knight. He has like 3-4 more tools to be innovative with his gameplay.

Very well said

[Knight_Raime]

Never said you are new. You are basically saying in your original post that if you think that orochi is bottom tier(trash tier) that we are playing him wrong. I happen to think that in his current state he is bottom tier.

You said rep doesn’t matter. I think rep is experience with the character. I think that 8,600 player kills does mean something. I played nearly 10 full days as orochi but hey your right we must not be playing orochi right.

You mentioned that I said that orochi is not the same as in beta(I ment how effective he was then to now) and you replied that his skills haven’t changed a lot. I agree with you on that and that is the problem. Our tool kit stayed static while new characters and reworks expanded.

I fought an orochi main last night who was rep 26 with him. Dude doesn't have a rep with any other character. I mopped the floor with him because he played predictably and used only a small portion of the kit. You're never going to convince me that rep matters. Ever.

I also stated that my title was more of an attention grabber than anything. There is no "correct" way to play any hero. However if you section yourself to a small portion of the kit and don't play into all of it's strengths it's going to make the hero feel bad. Which is what i'm getting at.

[LEGENDz_31]

I fought an orochi main last night who was rep 26 with him. Dude doesn't have a rep with any other character. I mopped the floor with him because he played predictably and used only a small portion of the kit. You're never going to convince me that rep matters. Ever.

I also stated that my title was more of an attention grabber than anything. There is no "correct" way to play any hero. However if you section yourself to a small portion of the kit and don't play into all of it's strengths it's going to make the hero feel bad. Which is what i'm getting at.

Ok fair points, I don’t want to circle around on the conversation. I think we both made our case as well as we could. Hopefully soon we will know what their plans are for orochi.