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[Protos_88]

try to faint with warden....u will be out of stamina rly fast... cent and warden are so f suck now... rly have classs need to parry now to get out of f spam ...

[Cliff_001]

There isnt "no penalty". You know they're gonna backdodge so just guard break them. They can't counter guard break when you do that. Idk. Maybe I just don't have as much an issue with it as other people. If you're upset about backdodge, the devs should make all characters even when oos. Assassin's have reflex guard and because of it, they have high mobility to defend themselves. Other characters have a static guard and because of that, have low mobility because they have high defense. It's an equal exchange. If you want to remove the assassin's mobility, remove reflex guard and I'm cool with it. nerfing mobility without compensating it with defense is a huge nerf to assassin's across the board. Plain and simple. Hopefully we can agree on that philosophy. It seems fair

No. Just no.

[VeniVidiViciBra]

Just unlock and run over to them. It seriously works everytime. It's only when you stay locked on and try to fight them that you can't catch up.

[XJadeDragoonX]

There is an oos balance that it seems people don't want to face when discussing this subject. It's mobility vs defense. There's no debate about it. If you want to nerf a strength a specific character type has, you have to buff the weakness the character had that made it appropriate to have that strength in the first place to make it even. Reflex guard shouldn't even be a thing to begin with. I use literally one assassin in the entire roster so I'm not biased in any way. But the reason assassin's have the reflex is because they're fast as hell. Take away that speed, increase defense. Idk how anyone can possibly debate that.

My suggestions is

Remove backdodge speed when oos and make it so ALL characters have reflex guard when oos. I bet nobody would like that though since nobody wants their character to eat a nerf in the name of balance. But it makes sense. You're out of stamina so you can't keep your guard up.

Or eliminate reflex guard as a whole. It doesn't work as intended. Then nerf back dodge

[Waynedetta40k]

Just unlock and run over to them. It seriously works everytime. It's only when you stay locked on and try to fight them that you can't catch up.

Yes you run towards them and you MIGHT catch before they regain there stamina or maybe not. I fought a 123 Rep dude today who played pk he was low and OOS so was I. I did exactly that guess what? He simply did hit me with an oos attack and got me with it.

There is an oos balance that it seems people don't want to face when discussing this subject. It's mobility vs defense. There's no debate about it. If you want to nerf a strength a specific character type has, you have to buff the weakness

No thats wrong your talking about it as if were 2 factors with no propotions. Reflex guard is by no means such a big weakness that an assassin should be nearly unpunishable if OOS. Its just not and that is the point. Giving Assassins static guard would be fine but than all their dodge moves need to be nerfed all the recovery times side dodge attack need to be slowed down and brought in lline with the other characters and ofc light attack dmg and attack speed need to be nerfed too because all of that is also something they get because they are assassins with reflex guard.

You can shout and call it unfair all you want. Its already state by mr pope that it will be fixed.

[XJadeDragoonX]

Reflex guard is an insane weakness. Completely crippling against certain characters. But ok

[VeniVidiViciBra]

Yes you run towards them and you MIGHT catch before they regain there stamina or maybe not. I fought a 123 Rep dude today who played pk he was low and OOS so was I. I did exactly that guess what? He simply did hit me with an oos attack and got me with it

So you were OOS too? If so, you shouldn't expect to punish someone in that position if you are in it too lol

Reflex guard is an insane weakness. Completely crippling against certain characters. But ok

Very true, thats why I don't like to play as an assassin. Glad vs Aramusha = worst matchup ever lol.

[Cliff_001]

Really it is a big weakness? Then why is pk, shaman, and glad some of the best characters in the game? Its defiantly not as bad as you think.

[VeniVidiViciBra]

It's a weakness defensively, those characters are strong because of their offense so it helps to balance them

[Cliff_001]

So your saying they are balanced?