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[koolkong94]

But I have never seen any statement from Ubisoft that this is truly outlawed. Other's don't seem to have seen it either. Where did they make an official announcement?

It took some digging through my post history, but I believe this is what you're looking for.

Unfortunately, I don't have the motivation to find where they said you had to report people to MS/Sony.

[air-run.]

Different topics deserve different reactions. If I misunderstood and you don’t use a mouse and keyboard I apologize but in your defense of them it really does seem like you probably do. Either way That comment is aimed at anyone who uses a mouse keyboard. I think they’re all ****heads.

Yea I was laughing when Nick assumed I use M&K.

All I am doing is discussing the fact it's something that is available to everyone, and until something is official outlawed, it's not considered cheating. Not too long ago (and still today), people cry themselves to sleep claiming "CHEATER" just because they can't hear in-game as well as other players, and so their position is compromised 100% of the time and they die. It's a slippery slope when communities start crying out against anything and everything. If this game turned out the way the community complains for fixes, Siege would be filled with invisible barriers for defenders from going/shooting outside, nobody would have special abilities/features, and everyone would be same speed with the same loadout.

To me, actual cheats that change the coding of the game and interface for the user is considered cheating. Changing the input device while still being controlled by the system's input options still relies on the player's skill. Yes, it gives them an edge, but it is not cheating unless it is officially denounced from developers/manufacturers. And that's my only point. If they have outlawed it, then yes - learn how to verify the consoles utilizing the device and perma ban the players. But until then...

[koolkong94]

It is not cheating unless it is officially denounced from developers/manufacturers.

It took some digging through my post history, but I believe this is what you're looking for.

Found another one

[air-run.]

Found another one

But, im confused...imn both instances, they say they've disabled NATIVE (meaning, plug a USB keyboard/mouse into the console) input for Keyboard & Mouse as they do feel it is an unfair advantage. But...that's like every console game. So if people are using the other mod to map they keyboard/mouse to controller buttons, that's not the same thing...nor are they saying using said mod is not allowed. Basically it's like, "yea, we won't allow you to directly plug something in, but we don't care about the Xim4 or whatever."

And let me be clear - I don't use K&M on a console nor would I waste money on the mod to map it. I stay true to the console and don't **** with it, but I am still not seeing Ubisoft outright saying this is an offense.

[zl-SoProblematic]

Get good. Keep practicing

Says this while using a tool that gives him an unfair advantage over the vast majority of people who play the game on the platform that he plays

[koolkong94]

nor are they saying using said mod is not allowed.

The efforts I go through to prove a point sometimes.


Here's two for you.

While they don't outright state that it's cheating, I feel like encouraging players to report these people to MS/Sony is close enough. If that's not good enough for you, then you're hopeless.

[air-run.]

The efforts I go through to prove a point sometimes.


Here's two for you.

While they don't outright state that it's cheating, I feel like encouraging players to report these people to MS/Sony is close enough. If that's not good enough for you, then you're hopeless.

So if you read into that, they say "go to MS/Sony", but throughout the threads it is pointed out that Sony/MS do not view it as cheating and one person even brings up a lawsuit that ruled against these manufacturers from outlawing them per monopolizing regulations.

So I am not hopeless, but I am here pointing out that your point in showing Ubisoft's responses is only to show there is a MAJOR hole.

Manufacturers legally cannot do anything. Need to go to devs per game. Devs say go to Sony/MS and there is not a single person who has been able to get official statements. But in fact there is :

Per UbiEpi: "As Ne0nboy mentioned, it is detected as a controller due extra hardware they are using.

Native KBM support is disabled for Rainbow Six Siege. There is nothing further that can be done on our end."

And per a ubisoft chat excerpt: modded controllers are advised against as they may fall under their cheating system. But even when the guy asking the rep if it's just a "gray" area, there was no straight answer.

So overall, ALL of your examples just show that Ubisoft can't give a straight answer, they say to go to Manufacturer who will point you back to Dev, and that's IF you can prove it - which is literally you getting someone to outright say it and catch it in a recording. Also known as - Ubisoft's hands are tied and they can't do anything.

I think this thread's case is hopeless as opposed to me not thinking your references are good enough - because they're not. Although I do applaud your due diligence and digging up those examples. They're as close as anyone is going to get to some type of straightforward answer unfortunately.

[SpecterPhoenix]

1 Ubi could/should start announcing publicly it is banable. Whether they will take action or not.

2 Enforcing a level playing field is core of keeping successful games alive. Talking about prolongivity in regards to recent changes, do you honestly think Outbreak (a temporary, non R6 related zombie mode without rewards) and Finka (a non R6 related secret hero straight from Overwatch) add up to that?

3 Developing anti cheat software is not done by the same team that creates maps and operators. It's probably a sum of money they need to use to outsource.

1) So just like "report toxic behavior" while every cries that Ubi does nothing which just encourages more TKing? That is like a new age parent threatening to whip their kid and never doing it. The kid becomes spoiled and runs over their parents every chance they get because they know they are just bluffing.

2) Finka from Overwatch conspiracy theory completely distracts from your point on that one. Considering the forums is loaded with players crying that ops are overpowered or underpowered, it's no wonder the keyboard and mouse issue is taking a back seat to the game.

3)If Ubisoft outsources it for the entire company, then they might use a separate sum of money, but if it is only for Siege, then the development money for Siege is used (per AAA developer, Troy Leavitt when he discussed how most companies allocate money for projects last year). You also have to think players are complaining about how Outbreak locked everything to using real money, meaning there are a lot of players not wasting money on the game for cosmetic skins and even some decrying the yearly passes so from a business stand point, you wouldn't take a risk on putting out more money with questionable return.

Maybe they will surprise us and take a stance on it publicly and outsource it to block them.

[Aenigmatista]

Maybe they will surprise us and take a stance on it publicly and outsource it to block them.

Hopefully they start banning players that admit using MKb.

[bgnRICH]

I’ve started to see a pattern, every season starts out really fun, we win, we lose, but every game is fair and enjoyable. Then we start crossing into the higher ranks, start seeing plats and a few diamonds every once in awhile. You start to think, maybe I’m just having a bad day or maybe I’m just trash, but pretty much every game we lose against a sweaty team. 9 times out of 10 if you watch a few killcams, you can tell that they are using mouse and keyboard. I was debating with a teammate about a guy on the other team that was destroying us every round. But when he got the winning kill one round, he drew squiggles in the air in celebration that are impossible to do with a joystick. It’s an absolute travesty what higher level ranked games have become in this game. I’ve already reached the highest rank I think I can get this season with my skill level and how much Elo I’m earning now. I think I’m just going to throw every match I’m in and derank so that I can get away from these try hard m+K ten year olds who bought a xim 4 with their mom’s credit card. Ubisoft needs to fix this crap, operation health 2.0 please.