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[SpaceJim12]

Most time in For Honor I play in dominion mathches.
And from start of the game and now, in season 5, this game mode still despairly need rework.
Main problem is this gamemode not about capture the zones, but about who could gunk better. And it's all cause loosing the zone is not punish at all. Yes, you loose 100 point IF someone retake it, but meanwhile you could gunk on another zone, capture it and...loose nothing at all. Then go to next zone and repeat. And honorable play are worst you could do in this game, cause if you'll go to help you gunking teammate, you 1.loose zone 2. will be killed in the same gunk

So, what do i suggest?

I think Ubi will can do one thing. They must remove +100 points when you capture the zone. You should stay in the zone to claim points no other way.
For now in dominion noone really care of sitting in the zone, cause sometimes even better to let one or two opponents took it and then gunk them 4v2 fast, and claim 100 point just to reclaim the zone.
And, for avoid gunking inside the zone, they should just add a multiplayer for thouse who stand in the zone all alone against enemy team. For exaple, I prefer to just stay in the zone, leave just to help my teammates in teamfight. So if I got 2-3-4 opponents on my point, I start claim x2-3-4 points per sec. Easy as play on Shaman.
I see all 4v4 modes problems and just think Ubi don't care about them at all.

[pimmas01]

those 100p for taking a zone are NOT permanent. you will only have them for as long as you have the point. meaning you could lose up to 300 points if you lose all 3 bases, making this into a comeback factor that you can avoid by DEFENDING the zones as you are supposed to do. you gain permanent points by controlling zones and even more if you stand in them.

so many people do not defend, they only ever run to the closest enemy and start spamming attacks. if the enemy team is smarter then they can go AROUND them and steal their bases. ganksquads only win games if the enemy team isn't playing the objective.
i have won many games by stealing bases when the enemy team is ganking people, or running away from the enemy ganksquad while the rest of my team is taking all the bases instead. it's pretty funny winning games with half as many kills as the other team.

dominion is balanced just fine if you assume people have brains, but unfortunately a vast majority play dominion as if it's skirmish. PLAY THE OBJECTIVE. STAY ON THE PAYLOAD!

[SpaceJim12]

so many people do not defend, they only ever run to the closest enemy and start spamming attacks. if the enemy team is smarter then they can go AROUND them and steal their bases. ganksquads only win games if the enemy team isn't playing the objective.

I could be true, if maps be bigger, and there are teams like 16 or 20 players in it. But we have really close maps and only 4 players per team.
Maybe you should read my post again. I always play the objective. I always stay in the zone. But this means nothing, cause you instantly loose 100 points (which you could deal just if you stand on points like...5-6 minutes?) when enemy team will gunk your teammates/ and then will come for you.
There are not many places to "go around" and if you play with good players, they already know about them.

So believe me, the only reason you "have won many games" is you played with low skill players.

[pimmas01]

i'll say it again then; those 100p are NOT PERMANENT. you cannot farm points by taking them over and over. if you lose the base you will lose the 100p and they will go over to the enemy, and if you retake it you will regain the 100p. meaning ganksquads who just run around taking one base at the time will lose if you spread out and cover the other ones.
ofcourse those who gets jumped need to do their best to buy time, by staying alive for as long as possible or let them chase you around the map. if they have 2 people chasing you then you're helping your team by making the rest of the map a 3v2 in your favour.

this is basic stuff for anyone who have played any other team game or sport. you have a fixed number on your team (4), and so does the enemy. they cannot be everywhere at once AND have the numeric advantage, it is IMPOSSIBLE. if you are playing "correctly" and still losing the 1on1s and 2on2s, then it is not the fault of some kind of ganksquad, but they were simply better.

have people cover bases and using their numbers as best they can to reinforce attacked points and delaying the enemy etc, is how you play any gamemode like this. if the enemy team has their whole team at your spawn, you will get a 4v4 if you only regroup. or you can have to people run into their group, delay and have the other 2 steal bases.


stop with the whole "you played with low skill players" ********. if you think staying on a base alone when you see 3 enemies rushing over to you is a good idea, then you're the idiot. RUN, STAY ALIVE. and when they leave you retake the base. if they have a guard you duel him and let your skill be the deciding factor. if they have 2 guards just beacuse of you, then you're basically holding up 2 people there, which is good for your team.

[SpaceJim12]

Well, ok. Let's see in your point.
Last night I've played on Blacksmith map. Enemy team fight with us on our spawn. And we can't do anything, cause one of our teammates desided to "play objective" and go to enemies zone. Sure, he captured it, but we loose our fight 3v4 and while we respawn, they go 3 and pretty fast kill him, return and keep pressure on us. That keep going until that objective man don't group with us. We win team fight and forged on there spawn zone. And than they loose, cause even if someone run to our spawn zone, we just send one man to kill him. And one of enemy team desided to capture mid, he surely did it, but who cares? We destroyed his teammates 4v3 in the zone, than two of us killed him and capture mid again. That is not a healthy gameplay.
And listen to yourself. You just say, that main strategy of the Dominion mode is running...from gunkers, from zones, from everywere. Good choice for coward, who named people idiot without reason.

[pimmas01]

pick your fights, use your head. they're not duels.
you lose because you have 3 people tunnelvisioning the first enemy they see, ending up fighting 3v4 on the first point while the enemy have all bases sitting there ticking in points for them.

you call me a coward for not running into the enemy bottleneck, i call you an idiot for walking into it when you can walk around it. if you stay to fight a disadvantageous fight when you have the choice not to, then you are the reason you're doing bad in dominion.

dominion is about HOLDING BASES, that is your objective. if you dont want to play the objective then play skirmish.

[SpaceJim12]

Ok, than, what should we do? Leave enemy in our zone and go with our random to capture theirs?

For understanding, I'm not bad in Dominion. I believe I got 60-70% of winning when play with team, not with randoms. We fight that 4v3 cause thay stunk in our zone. You said we need holding bases, so we trie to recapture our own. See? That is the problem. You have no real reason to stay in the zones. Sure, you could take some extra point, but it's nothing instead of chance to not let you're enemies take points. So, if this 100 that not permanent, so why just remove it?

[Illyrian_King]

Most time in For Honor I play in dominion mathches.
And from start of the game and now, in season 5, this game mode still despairly need rework.
Main problem is this gamemode not about capture the zones, but about who could gunk better. And it's all cause loosing the zone is not punish at all. Yes, you loose 100 point IF someone retake it, but meanwhile you could gunk on another zone, capture it and...loose nothing at all. Then go to next zone and repeat. And honorable play are worst you could do in this game, cause if you'll go to help you gunking teammate, you 1.loose zone 2. will be killed in the same gunk

So, what do i suggest?

I think Ubi will can do one thing. They must remove +100 points when you capture the zone. You should stay in the zone to claim points no other way.
For now in dominion noone really care of sitting in the zone, cause sometimes even better to let one or two opponents took it and then gunk them 4v2 fast, and claim 100 point just to reclaim the zone.
And, for avoid gunking inside the zone, they should just add a multiplayer for thouse who stand in the zone all alone against enemy team. For exaple, I prefer to just stay in the zone, leave just to help my teammates in teamfight. So if I got 2-3-4 opponents on my point, I start claim x2-3-4 points per sec. Easy as play on Shaman.
I see all 4v4 modes problems and just think Ubi don't care about them at all.

If you talk about Dominion Rework, then please do not forget to finally introduce Archers, Captains and roaming (not just in the centre B) minions with double/tripple damage, to finally make this a real battle simulation.

It has been suggested like a million times!