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[RenegadeTX2000]

I made a thread last week about fighting a conq with my highlander, half the people said it wasn't as bad as I was making it out to be. Guess I need to take videos lol

It can be bad... Highlander must fight in Offensive Stance and even then he still loses the mu but it's very winnable.

[lMoosel]

That HL was just very bad. No backwards lights, no OF dodges or grab cancels. Hell he was dodge spamming before you even moved half the time.

[PanzerShrekonin]

That Highlander was crappy.... He completely fell for the Conq everytime. Hes not waiting for the unblockable animation for SB.... so he just gets GB'd. He was trash.


He never used his caber toss or kick combo, never used OF lights. He was bad. lol

[WastedPunk]

That Highlander was crappy.... He completely fell for the Conq everytime. Hes not waiting for the unblockable animation for SB.... so he just gets GB'd. He was trash.


He never used his caber toss or kick combo, never used OF lights. He was bad. lol

He isn't waiting for the animation because of how slow HL is.If he waits,he will get hit by it considering how quick SB is.
He never used Toss or kick because I didn't let him,I literally put him in a SB 50/50 spam where he either had to guess right or die (the latter happened in the video)

I'll probably upload another video tomorrow to further prove my point.

[Kahuf1]

That Highlander was crappy.... He completely fell for the Conq everytime. Hes not waiting for the unblockable animation for SB.... so he just gets GB'd. He was trash.


He never used his caber toss or kick combo, never used OF lights. He was bad. lol

Look at this video one more time. This Highlander can enter to his offencive stance 1-2 times on start fight... he start with 1 spin following by heavy. Second tine he geint celtic curse into off stance and do 1 unblocable. Then he have Conqueror glued on his face. Highlander cant do light to get offensive, he cant dodge and w8 for heavy press down to get offensive stance.

Im rep 12 highlander, Im not best HL ever, but I can even be whole fight in offensive stance. But when Conq stick to ur face, u have no chance as Highlander without dodge attack against conqueror.

EDIT: Why UBI even try to rework Conqueror? Only give him more ability to simply spam some kind of shieldbash + some sort of damage and repeat. They try to make new wardenstyle 50:50 hero? I was hoping fore some fortrest hero with, but this is just crap. Rework warden will be like give him some kind of feint shoulderbash to do him 33:33:33??? Oh boy...

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Watch this video first and then decide if I'm correct or not:

https://youtu.be/q3xaU4bS4oM


IN-CASE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON,all I did was either shield bash or bait a dodge so I can Guardbreak.
This is honestly what the game is becoming especially after S5.
Now,most people will argue that the HL was inexperienced.Which I agree with to some degree.But,it still doesn't change the fact that this is how the game is being played now.
Him being a Highlander was just the icing on the cake.Because of his slow dodge speed,It was pretty much the safest thing I could've done.
Even if he didn't Doge,I could've (and have already done) dodged forward to make it look like I'm going to shield bash but stop and GB and catch them mid dodge.

This isn't just the case with Conqueror.Pretty much any Unblockable can be exploited in a similar fashion and unless you are playing a Warrior with dodge attack,you are pretty much screwed.Even then, they can bait out the dodge attack and parry it but at the very least,it gives you a chance.

lol seriously?

This guy dodged twice before you even moved. You can't even call that a bait because you didn't even do anything.
He also got hit by shield bash mixup which is significantly slower than the regular dash into shield bash. It's 700ms compared to 500ms and you can't go into a guard break instead because shield bash mixup replaces the input. You'd have to wait or go into full block to go into a guard break.

Calling it safe is just ridiculous too, if they stand their ground and you dodge forward but don't shield bash, they have ample time to guard break you because Conqueror has the worst dodge recoveries in the game at 800ms in every direction.

The highlander's reactions in this video were just really bad. Highlander could have gotten a guard break at 0:14 actually. I'm pretty certain of it, he could have just sat still and parried that slower top light as well. But yeah clearly this highlander in the video is a God at For Honor and if he can't counter unblockables with his revolutionary tactic of dodging before anything even happens then nobody can.

[PanzerShrekonin]

He isn't waiting for the animation because of how slow HL is.If he waits,he will get hit by it considering how quick SB is.
He never used Toss or kick because I didn't let him,I literally put him in a SB 50/50 spam where he either had to guess right or die (the latter happened in the video)

I'll probably upload another video tomorrow to further prove my point.

Your point is irrelvant. The highlander was bad. I can dodge the shield bash quite easily. He's bad. Thats all there is to it. I get that this is a conq is OP thread on the Downlow, but its not fooling anyone. Only bad players find Conq to be overpowered. You can dodge the SB and get a Guardbreak((On alot of characters. Not all.)).

Look at this video one more time. This Highlander can enter to his offencive stance 1-2 times on start fight... he start with 1 spin following by heavy. Second tine he geint celtic curse into off stance and do 1 unblocable. Then he have Conqueror glued on his face. Highlander cant do light to get offensive, he cant dodge and w8 for heavy press down to get offensive stance.

Im rep 12 highlander, Im not best HL ever, but I can even be whole fight in offensive stance. But when Conq stick to ur face, u have no chance as Highlander without dodge attack against conqueror.

EDIT: Why UBI even try to rework Conqueror? Only give him more ability to simply spam some kind of shieldbash + some sort of damage and repeat. They try to make new wardenstyle 50:50 hero? I was hoping fore some fortrest hero with, but this is just crap. Rework warden will be like give him some kind of feint shoulderbash to do him 33:33:33??? Oh boy...

See post above.

TLDR:

If you are failing against a conq's shield bash, its not a SB problem,

it is an ID 10 T error, as my manager says. Or as my girlfriend says, POBCAK

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Hilarious how people get a video yet they deny what they see

Hilarious how some peoples' confirmation biases are so bad they would actually think this video was evidence of anything.

[WastedPunk]

Your point is irrelvant. The highlander was bad. I can dodge the shield bash quite easily. He's bad. Thats all there is to it. I get that this is a conq is OP thread on the Downlow, but its not fooling anyone. Only bad players find Conq to be overpowered.

You need to read my Original post again dude,this thread isn't about Conqueror.I just used his SB as an example.the whole point of the post is to show the unhealthy state of the spam/un-blockables in the game.
Remove conq out of the equation,Use let's say,Raider's zone.
He can either zone,feint into stunning tap or hard feint. Meaning there is almost no way to react but rather guess.Which in a sense,favors spam over actual abilities and skills.

[Charmzzz]

You need to read my Original post again dude,this thread isn't about Conqueror.I just used his SB as an example.the whole point of the post is to show the unhealthy state of the spam/un-blockables in the game.
Remove conq out of the equation,Use let's say,Raider's zone.
He can either zone,feint into stunning tap or hard feint. Meaning there is almost no way to react but rather guess.Which in a sense,favors spam over actual abilities and skills.

If YOU cannot react to the animations and indicators, the conclusion is that nobody can?

When I am fully concentrated I can see and react to those mixups and punish. In the case of Conq going for his dodge-baiting or SB spamming I will just throw out a light immediately when he dodges. Any 500ms light will interrupt his mindgame if you are fast enough.

Dodge and Dodge-Attacks are good to counter unblockables that cannot be feinted OR if you wait for the icon to flash and then dodge. Everything else is an unsafe dodge. I learned that months ago.