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No revenge will make you easy win 4vs1, when you see these ctr c + ctrl v montage from these youtubers, is just enemy team beeing completely trash.

A trash player will get destroyed by a single dude without revenge

A trash team will get destroyed by a single guy with revenge.


Besides, revenge is completely useless, and was useless even back in the d1, all you have to do was turtling, untill revenge is off, and then EZ ganking.

But people used to whine, because they had to trade hit with a full buffed revenge dude, and lost. Lets just keep "balancing" this game for newcomers.infact all you have to do now is spamming UB's from 3 directions to completely destroy every one, regarding his ability with the game, which is indeed limited, the lack of deepth in this game, makes the skill ceiling, really low. You can easily master a class playing it for a dozen of hours.

[Waynedetta40k]

Because a good team can beat a deathball. In elimination and skirmish if they realise it is going on they can form up themselves, not played tribute enough to speak much on it but there are three tributes, unfortunately I have wound up on teams where they won't wait ten seconds, rather treat the enemy team to endless 4v1 and health gains through executions, dominion though yeah it is doable. If it gets rolling, then it relies on one or two standing their ground a short while, but say they are at c fighting two, one respawning ally goes to the soldier zone in b, one goes to a, they boost or kill soldiers until the deathball comes rolling, one of them moves to vacated c while the other tries to escape with the headstart granted by them taking his zone, by this point we're hoping it is back to 4v4 because then the fact that we hold two zones means either they need to split up or they will constantly be down two as a zone or soldier lane is abandoned in order to rotate zone captures, drawing out any time they take to get one person and watching the points gap widen. The other option is if you meet three or four in their zone, play completely passively, as conqueror, I used health on block and parries, as peacekeeper I used my dodges, my best result came as a peacekeeper where I held three in their only white zone for a minute and a half, in that timemy teammates boosted the other zone and killed soldiers, I took the death but in that time we had achieved a 500 point swing and had an unassailable lead because they decided to murderball the peacekeeper and didn't keep their eye on the actual aim of dominion. Now I was lucky to get a good team in that, I am a PUG player though when servers come for console and are polished I may join groups on the knights discord, but it happens now and then.

So your answers to my questions:
What kind of Teamplay does For Honor offer except Deathballganking? and
Why do people give much about teamplay?

is basicially: The other Team can Deathball too and
1 or 2 People can stall a Deathball.

Seems like decent and fun gameplay.

Additionally if you can stall 3 people with PK for 90 Seconds those 3 People's skill as individual players is WAY below yours and therefore its nothing to do with teamplay. 3 Competent players will wreck you in seconds.

No revenge will make you easy win 4vs1, when you see these ctr c + ctrl v montage from these youtubers, is just enemy team beeing completely trash.

A trash player will get destroyed by a single dude without revenge

A trash team will get destroyed by a single guy with revenge.


Besides, revenge is completely useless, and was useless even back in the d1, all you have to do was turtling, untill revenge is off, and then EZ ganking.

But people used to whine, because they had to trade hit with a full buffed revenge dude, and lost. Lets just keep "balancing" this game for newcomers.infact all you have to do now is spamming UB's from 3 directions to completely destroy every one, regarding his ability with the game, which is indeed limited, the lack of deepth in this game, makes the skill ceiling, really low. You can easily master a class playing it for a dozen of hours.

Well to be honest, it was a mix of everything. With Gearstats, Revenge, Feats a PK killed me playing shugoki at 70% HP with a light + zone. GG

But yea imo they overnerfed revenge alot

[CandleInTheDark]

So your answers to my questions:
What kind of Teamplay does For Honor offer except Deathballganking? and
Why do people give much about teamplay?

is basicially: The other Team can Deathball too and
1 or 2 People can stall a Deathball.

Seems like decent and fun gameplay.

Additionally if you can stall 3 people with PK for 90 Seconds those 3 People's skill as individual players is WAY below yours and therefore its nothing to do with teamplay. 3 Competent players will wreck you in seconds.

A skirmish is a rolling 4v4 in any case, as to elimination, if they have done it once, you are foolish to try to take them on by yourself, your team either stops them forming into a group in the initial phase or adapts.

As to dominion, it is a touch more nuanced than that,stalling the death ball only does any good if the team then maintains control over two points, the opposing team is then forced to either play the objective or to try to capture two points quicker than a more spread out team can reclaim the one they have left bearing in mind if they kill one person, they have at most 15 seconds they are one up while the other three can still ensure that at least two points belong to them. They did dominion in the season 4 launch stream and because the teams communicated, a death ball would not have worked because the other team would have simply rotated the points because even if they caught and killed one, if they are moving as a group, the moment they leave that point to take the next it will be reclaimed. All of that takes communication,knowing where your team mates are and where they see the enemy, dare I say it, teamwork.

As to the 1v3, eh your opinion, once they did corner me, they did indeed wreck me, but I was backdodging and managing to parry when one got close enough and pop revenge when it came up given I have a minimum build loadout. The team play came more in that my team handled the other points while I stalled the three on mine and their lack of minding the objective, and so poorer team play, lost them the game. Dominion could do with changing some tomake death balling less profitable but it can be worked around.

[SEISMIS21]

Calls ganking in a deathball, “strategic movement”, feels better about self proclaimed “superior battlefield presence”. XD

No wonder you have sand in your ******, you think the only form of strategic movement in this game is deathball ganking (which I clearly called out as cancerous twattery by the way.)

You must be one of those me monsters I was talking about.

[Waynedetta40k]

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You still dont get my point. Deathballing is unfun and lame and shouldnt be a viable tactic at all. It is way easier to Deathball than anything else and make it an efficient tactic compared to everything else the game offers regarding teamplay. Is it impossible to counter? No I never said it. The effort it takes to deathball and win vs the effort it takes to counter it is just wrong.
Improvments need to be made.