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    Ubisoft censorship has to stop

    I see Ubisoft has taken the nazi/communist censorship path once again ... just like you did in Ghost Recon Phantoms (and I challenge any moderator to prove that "nazi" is a bad term, considering that historically nazi's were socialists ... so you might as well start banning people for calling others socialists).

    -> In any other game, you'd have a mute button that mutes voice and chat coming from a person you don't like.
    -> ANY other game out there would mute players for hours/days/weeks based on the severity of their behavior, but not completely cut their access to the software they payed.
    -> ANY OTHER RESPECTABLE COMPANY OUT THERE would simply provide players with the means to globally or individually disable communications in any form, thus allowing freedom of speech and allowing the community to regulate their own behavior ... just like it's normal and how it should be.

    By implementing these changes you're showing an abuse of power and making a mockery of the constitutions and individual freedoms of every single customer you have from different countries and continents.

    You're (Ubisoft) creating a precedent which will allow you to shove your fist down anybody's throat who dares to speak against your actions."Racial slurs" and "hate speech" is just an excuse for that.

    You're (Ubisoft) on a power trip that will end badly for anybody who shuts up right now and accepts your terms and conditions.

    The community should be in an uproar right now. What they're (Ubisoft) doing to us all is a tragedy and it will only get worse.

    They're (Ubisoft) planning to ban people based on loose and highly interpretable terms which can't be clearly placed in categories ... they basically mean something else to different people and will result in wrongful bans and censorship (just like it always happened in the past with systems like these).

    If they (Ubisoft) truly wanted to stop bad and immoral behavior ( and didn't have an ulterior motive in mind ), they would'be simply kicked players out of games based on an automated system that detected bad words. Instead they (Ubisoft) are choosing to devote an incredible amount of resources to create a more complex system and assign man power to review cases ... man power AND money which could be used to fix the numerous problems present since launch.

    Your beloved community manager, Epi, personally deleted a similar statement of mine that was posted on the forums of Ghost Recon Phantoms years ago. His only reason was my opening sentence, similar sentence I've used in that post ... which is in no way a "racial slur" or "hate speech" in that context, but can be treated that way by moderators and Ubisoft to simply suppress anything they don't like.

    (Please understand that I am in no way condoning bad/horrible behavior that many people display in this game. I'm simply trying to convey a message with a singular target: freedom of speech. Our freedom is taken away in a virtual medium where we come to relax, by using a system meant only to promote an abuse of power ... and to create a precedent which will allow Ubisoft to take even more away from it's customers. There are better (proven) ways to deal with bad and immoral behavior, and the community should push towards those instead of letting themselves be pushed. In the end we, the customers, are what keeps the company alive. Our voice and needs matter, not Ubisoft's)

    P.S: You might've noticed (hopefully) that I'm avoiding to use the term "toxicity". The reason for that is simple: it's as loose and interpretable as "racial slurs" and "hate speech". It can mean whatever they (Ubisoft) want it to mean.

    Also, I'm not taking the little free time I have left in my life to write this post simply because I got banned for "toxicity", "racial slurs" or "hate speech". I'm not banned for anything at the moment, but I notice our freedom of speech is taken away.
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    LOL


    You do belive that are going to target that toxic people and not the "immature" ones

    Aka
    You can be banned for WHAT you say not the WAY you say it (you can still be toxic without using "bad" language)

    And contrary to popular belive
    Freedom of speech does not mean thy you are FREE to say what ever you want, even in the United States of America you are accountable of your wordsand many countries if not all have criminalized hate speech


    I'm just happy that people who do get banned for toxicity do get appropriate message of it (as at the moment you are told that the ban you got, was for cheating)
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    Originally Posted by BooN003 Go to original post
    LOL


    You do belive that are going to target that toxic people and not the "immature" ones

    Aka
    You can be banned for WHAT you say not the WAY you say it (you can still be toxic without using "bad" language)

    And contrary to popular belive
    Freedom of speech does not mean thy you are FREE to say what ever you want, even in the United States of America you are accountable of your wordsand many countries if not all have criminalized hate speech


    I'm just happy that people who do get banned for toxicity do get appropriate message of it (as at the moment you are told that the ban you got, was for cheating)
    Moderators have been deleting posts and banning players for critiquing their actions simply because it contained curses, yet they never touched posts that contained such curses but were focusing on financial issues. Now they're taking this to a whole new level ingame and you people are willing to accept it simply because they told you it's for "toxic behavior" .... and whomever gets banned for "toxic behavior" in the future will be disregarded, just like you as a community did with people wrongfully banned by their crappy Battleye. I can see this is pointless, as I've seen from the replies I got on reddit . You people WANT to be censored because you know what kind of people you are! You give away your freedom for a little security, hoping to not get your ego hurt by an insult ... This is it. I'm done with all of you
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    Originally Posted by Th3_Punisher__ Go to original post
    Our freedom is taken away in a virtual medium where we come to relax, by using a system meant only to promote an abuse of power
    This part of your post describes essentially what your saying. But what you may not realize is that acceptable social behavior changes from venue to venue and you can not express yourself the same for each one. Churches, Courthouses, Bars or ZZ Top concerts all have their own measure of what is acceptable, and Siege is no different.

    The virtual world isn't the social wild west, it's a medium where we are less considerate of other human beings simply because we have no repercussions and far less empathy than in person. These 'systems' are indeed an abuse of power because the people themselves are disregarding forms of social behavior that is unacceptable in today's society and void in our virtual world..and more importantly in Ubisofts virtual world.

    It is absolutely their (Ubisofts) right and responsibility to define the boundaries in which we all can identify with and must accept or be removed. This is not our world and we must live by their rules or gtfo..just like anywhere else with no exceptions.
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    In before lock....

    "Freedom of Speech", even in the U.S. where it is held on a pedestal only means one thing, and it is not what you think it is.

    "Freedom of Speech" ONLY means you are free to criticize the government, ruling power, or religious ideologies and icons without fear of government reprisal, jail, prison, torture, extraordinary rendition, the likes.

    It does not mean that a PRIVATE company, on property (physical or digital) they own, has to give you the right to say whatever you damned well please.

    If Ubisoft, owning these forums, reserves the right to ban you for WHATEVER reason they feel. They don't like that somebody was complaining about how Ubi is worse than EA? BANNED! And there is no recourse for the banned player.


    Be that as it may, I think that they are going about dealing with toxicity in the wrong order. I think they should be devoting more resources to dealing with hackers and cheaters first. At least with verbal toxicity, you have the ability to turn off PC chat, and or mute the offending player. There is NOTHING you can do to get away from hackers.

    Ubisoft needs to nut up and start banning hackers by at least GUID / hardware, maybe even IP and hardware.
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    1. The game does have mute features, and you can turn off text chat, so not sure what you're on about there, buddy.
    2. The instant you compared Ubisoft to the Nazis, you immediately lost all credibility. It's a gross exaggeration by anyone's standards.
    3. You say that the Nazis were socialists... you could not be more wrong. A quick search online reveals that in actual fact...

    The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.
    They redefined socialism for their own racist, nationalist agenda, in order to legitimize their movements and masquerade as the saviour of the people.

    4. It's been said before, but I've always believed this, and I wholeheartedly agree;

    Freedom of speech is a common misconception. It is the right to express your thoughts, ideas, opinions, etc, and is vitally important to society. However, most people do not realise that in fact freedom of speech also comes with the responsibility of speech.
    These two things go absolutely hand in hand, and cannot be ignored. You cannot simply waive any bad, hurtful, provocative or indecent things said under the protection of "freedom of speech", and expect to be completely cleared of all ramifications.

    It's not only immoral, but frankly, it's just plain stupid. If you say something deliberately inciteful, people will naturally, and rightfully so, be angered by it. You have the right to say it, but just because you can, it absolutely does not mean that you should. To think this is inherently wrong. To think that it's censorship because you're getting told off for using demonstrably taboo and problematic words with an evidential history of derogatory usage behind them, is inherently wrong. Your thoughts and ideas deserve to be respected, provided that you present them with even an ounce of respect yourself. Using "racial slurs" and "hate speech" as you call them, obviously, are lacking that modicum of respect that you so desperately crave yourself.

    I believe this, mainly because it's actually written up there in the legislation alongside the freedom of speech as well.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20080705...h/law/ccpr.htm

    Article 19
    1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

    2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.

    3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

    (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

    (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.
    TLDR;

    If you're gonna argue, do a quick fact-check first. Nazis are, contrary to what can only be assumed is your belief, bad, and using racial slurs, again, are bad. Don't act like you're being victimized here. When you lack respect, you cannot expect to be given any yourself.

    I get the feeling OP listened to one Rage Against The Machine song and thought;

    "Yeah, man... that's like... me."

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    History is written by the victors.






    And by Hollywood.
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    "prove that "nazi" is a bad term, considering that historically nazi's were socialists ... so you might as well start banning people for calling others socialists).

    nazi was a term made in 1930's germany to define the national socialist party and given what it led to i think most people in the world word accept it is a term used to describe bad people.

    plenty of countries in the world have had socialists and they sure as hell wouldnt want to be called nazis.
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    Originally Posted by Th3_Punisher__ Go to original post
    ... This is it. I'm done with all of you
    If only you really meant it this time...
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    Originally Posted by Morfanos Go to original post
    If only you really meant it this time...
    > Makes a point
    > Point is proven inarguably wrong
    > "I'm sick of all you guys! I'll take my points somewhere else!"
    > The cycle continues

    You can't pick and choose which rights do and do not apply to you based on personal preference. You can't cry "Freedom of Speech!" without actually paying attention and adhering to any of the other caveats that these rights come with.
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