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[Illyrian_King]

I'm a Knight so I'll be speaking from that perspective, but I think similar sentiments can be felt across the board.

Since release, and correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing has been added to the game that contributes to the core values of the three factions. The DLC maps have been really nice, but the DLC heroes were, specifically in the Knights' case, nothing to do with the faction. Gladiator is a showman who's values don't extend beyond glory and fame, and Centurion is leader from a dead empire who's behaviour would get him exiled or executed if practiced in the presence of an actual knight.

My gripes with Romans aside (I actually like the Romans, I just hate that they're knights), the game has gotten nothing that's contributed knightly things to the knight faction. Why? No lore, no characters, no emotes, two executions yes (End Them Rightly and A Moment of Silence), but one is a meme, which is a whole other thing I'll get to, and that's just the Warden. Mind you, the new animations in most cases are excellent and do demonstrate the personalities of the heroes really well, still, nothing particularly knightly, and nothing that links the heroes to the faction or each other.

I hope the success (popularity) of the Test Your Metal mode has made the obvious (evidently not obvious enough) desire in the community for proper PvE content more obvious. The most successful event thus far, if I'm not mistaken. Yet the story mode, lore in general, and dedicated cooperative content have received zero attention since launch. This in particular has been one of those most frustrating parts of following this game over the past year. Pretty much all of my friends won't pick up this game because A) the story mode is an underdeveloped joke and the coop content is nonexistent, and B) because it's Ubisoft and Ubisoft are the devil < this belief is perpetually validated by article one in this list.

Edge Lords. Why? This ties into something the game is doing universally that is bugging me to no end. Everything is skulls, spikes or a chandelier. Why? It's not that I don't think there should be spikes on some armours, or that there shouldn't be that really cool skull embossing. But that's all we're getting. Spikes. Skulls. Most of this stuff out-edges Olly, and she was actually trying to dress like a demon.

Like, what? Is this why the knights never take their helms off?

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Look at the amazing art in the knight locations. Those statues in The Shard (I think it is), and there's some with angel wings too. I think that stuff looks so much better, and is actually representative of the knights. The faction is about order, loyalty, protection, and noble virtue (Hellfire is cool, but c'mon...where's my proper angelic wings?) Same thing is happening with the masks. Everything we get is either demonic, bloodlust, or a meme. This ties into that other thread I made about the attitude in the executions: your choices are A) Kill them and move on before their body hits the ground, B) Brutalize, humiliate, and laugh at them for half a dozen seconds. Again, I will point out that I'm not complaining that these things are in the game--it's cool they're here, most of this stuff is really cool--I'm complaining that that is all that is in the game.

Oh god the memes. Make them stop. Initially I was able to laugh at it but please don't keep making memes. We're getting actual salt meme emotes...you could be making so much cooler stuff. I don't give a fcuk about "rubbing salt in the wounds" of my enemies. Please grow up. This game is becoming a parody of itself.

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I think I've made my points clear, so my question to you, Ubisoft: is this a game I should remain interested in? Kinda heartbreaking if no; it's such a unique and brilliant concept. But I'll get over it. I've been through worse, I promise.

Agree on every aspect!

Ubisoft has really accumulated a high "kill streak in bad decisions"

From the lack of Ded Servers for release last year and romans/scotts/etc .... over low character adjustment .... till no deeper and complex game mode like Siege Mode

[Okita_Soji..]

I said something about the trailer in emote spam thread too. Where is that game and when can I play it? The trailer looks amazing, so gritty and real. I got excited for the game again. No flames, rainbows, hearts... Sure people like that stuff and are buying steel for it but that isn't the game you advertised. It doesn't fit in the story mode either. Won't be long before I see facing Apollyon and she knocks me down with UB hit and does an ice skating emote..

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

What about the people that got attracted to the game by the trailers? Those trailers showed something completely different which is almost fake advertising.

Those people have since long left. Not all but most. This game is trying hard to stay afloat and while I never liked the comical taunts, the spamming is perfectly fine to me.

The community, for whatever reason is a tiny number at this point, so multi-million or whatever, they want to attract new players, you and I only bought the game once. Thats not paying the bills.

The remarks of only children and 12 yr olds is insulting. You have nothing to back that up.

[Tirik22x]

Thanks guys. I totally agree. I wanted to make a post like this myself but you did a very good job on explaining the problems. The most blatant one are probabably :

1) Faction war

No f****** faction war. No three factions. Nothing. sure, you get to choose who you represent and then you have an annoying map that flashes every now and then on the screen. That's it. But:

a. you can play with and agaisnt whoever, we all know it. there is no "knight" or "viking" teams, be it for what the players represent as a faction or just as a map locked feature (let's say a map where a team has to choose knight heroes and the other samurais)

b. no 3-way conflict. it was that hard to add a 2v2v2 mode? or 4v4v4? where is this "triple" conflict?

c. no game mode that really makes you feel it's a war. yeah, dominion. a bit.


2) Seriousness of the game and game-atmposhere

Let's start with the basics. Spamming emotes? For sure that's gonna make me feel immersed in a world like the one showed in the trailer posted above. Then, meme-culture? Is ubisoft serious? I already opened a thread about it and people made their comments. I have nothing to add.

This is ubisoft trying to gain new players with fan-service. What they don't understand it's that fan-service not necessarly works as intended. Sure, the loud screamy kids are enjoying all the memes and spamming. What about the people that got attracted to the game by the trailers? Those trailers showed something completely different which is almost fake advertising.

Going back to fan-service, let's take a look at what happened with game of thrones. In recent seasons the producers added some fan-service, thinking the audience would like it. The vast majority of the audience didn't like it and found it stupid and not in line with what was going on in the show and his seriousness. That's because what people brainlessly wish is not what they really want. You want things to keep their shape and just dream about doing stupid stuff. Once you have it, it's just annoying and you don't even care anymore. What the hell. They are developing this game in a direction which is all but serious, completely different from what it was supposed to be at the beginning. A multimilionar company cannot get distracted along the way and lose its original project because they want to attract kids with stupid stuff. The original project was great, players didnt come for all the technical problems. Not because they could not do the salty emote. Please ubisoft wake up and stop targeting 12 years old.

I said the same thing... this game is/turned into a immature, kid-developed shadow of what sold me on it in the first place.

The emote spamming does it for me the most. I. Can. Not. Stand. It. It literally prohibits immersion.

I’m trying to stay onboard this game bc I know what it COULD be, but I’m realizing that’s not what it’s going to be. Even a moderator confirmed that the devs love the emote spamming, and have no intentions of changing it.

Ok then, I guess some 15 y/o kid spamming rah rah rah rah is more important than your original fan base paying for the game any further.

Makes sense.

[Tirik22x]

Those people have since long left. Not all but most. This game is trying hard to stay afloat and while I never liked the comical taunts, the spamming is perfectly fine to me.

The community, for whatever reason is a tiny number at this point, so multi-million or whatever, they want to attract new players, you and I only bought the game once. Thats not paying the bills.

The remarks of only children and 12 yr olds is insulting. You have nothing to back that up.

Lol! Nothing to back that up...

That’s like saying that Cartoon Network has nothing to backup the fact that it’s intended for adolescents.

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

I said the same thing... this game is/turned into a immature, kid-developed shadow of what sold me on it in the first place.

The emote spamming does it for me the most. I. Can. Not. Stand. It. It literally prohibits immersion.

I’m trying to stay onboard this game bc I know what it COULD be, but I’m realizing that’s not what it’s going to be. Even a moderator confirmed that the devs love the emote spamming, and have no intentions of changing it.

Ok then, I guess some 15 y/o kid spamming rah rah rah rah is more important than your original fan base paying for the game any further.

Makes sense.

I dont understand how anyone can speak of "immersion" when the characters do moves that make them glow and perform feats no man could. They glow like Super Saiyans when they block enough. One heals herself. Another become a virtual tank and can not be moved by ax, sword or shield. This is in no way a historically accurate game. You want that type of realism? Go play Deliverance.


And as I said above you and I only bought the game once. The original base isnt keeping the lights on.

[EIGHTYYARDS NYC]

Lol! Nothing to back that up...

That’s like saying that Cartoon Network has nothing to backup the fact that it’s intended for adolescents.

Its a logical statement to make. All youre making are assumption on whos buying them and who actually likes them. I see many YouTube videos made by grown men that love the additions. As well as myself and the 5 or 6 people I play with. Some dislike the funny ones, some love the light heart feeling they bring to an otherwise serious game. You want it to be only "children" that like spamming taunts, when thats not the case.

[Tirik22x]

Its a logical statement to make. All youre making are assumption on whos buying them and who actually likes them. I see many YouTube videos made by grown men that love the additions. As well as myself and the 5 or 6 people I play with. Some dislike the funny ones, some love the light heart feeling they bring to an otherwise serious game. You want it to be only "children" that like spamming taunts, when thats not the case.

K.

[Veerdin-Wraith]

I should clarify: I don't mind a bit of light-hearted comedy, I don't mind emote spam, or anything like that. But in terms of actual gameplay and overall aesthetics? I do feel the game has shifted a lot from its original inception, and I do mourn for the game that could have been...

That said, there are certain things you could do to the existing For Honor to make it feel more like the game we see in that trailer:

1) Introduce more armour types - This has been a long time running, honestly. And when I say more armour, I don't mean more spikes/blades/gold bits, I mean new designs.
2) Let all three factions use metal armour, at least as an option. Wooden armour may have existed once upon a time in Japan, but they stopped using it and started using metal pretty quick.
3) Less garish, over-designed weapons, more weapon designs that are based on real life examples: Seriously, there are hundreds of different kinds of real weapon variations from history.
4) More muted colours and more subtle patterns. Try to reduce the amount of times I get slashed to death by some dual-wielding samurai with a neon green belt and bright orange pants.
5) Less "effects", or at least more subtle ones. Do we need our weapons to glow blue every time we use a chain attack? Do the unblockable effects need to be fire and white-hot metal? Ect...

Perhaps a separate set of game modes could be made where these effects are implemented, so that players can decide what they want? I don't know. It'd be a pretty major shift in aesthetics.

[swiss_soldier_1]

I dont understand how anyone can speak of "immersion" when the characters do moves that make them glow and perform feats no man could. They glow like Super Saiyans when they block enough. One heals herself. Another become a virtual tank and can not be moved by ax, sword or shield. This is in no way a historically accurate game. You want that type of realism? Go play Deliverance.


And as I said above you and I only bought the game once. The original base isnt keeping the lights on.

that's why i had also opened a thread suggesting to give us the possibility to hide ALL the stupid graphic effects (that are present in every ubisoft game)

i mean, there are the zone lines in the intro videos in some maps (like forge).... really?


and i agree with the guy who said that it's ridicolous that a moderator "confessed" that even the developers like the spamming... they created an emote for shaman that if spammed IT DABS...
are you f****** serious? i saw different things in the trailers and the early gameplay.
a little bit of sillyness is fine and even adds something, but when i play a game in for honor i only see rainbows and hearths and stupid emotes and spamming here and there. again, i saw a different game in the trailers

i mean look at this

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.... kind of different isn't it?

they practically stole my money and made me play barbie killing ken decapitating him and then dancing and drinking on it

great job ubisoft, you ruined what could have been my favourite ever multiplayer game