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In the paraphrased immortal words of Patches O'houlihan, " If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge Shaman's bite". I have been a Conq main since release, after this last "whoops" to the Conq I started playing Shaman, at first I was hitting everyone and their brother with bite, I was thinking, wow this is crazy, this shouldn't be working like this, surely this is a bug...after about 2 weeks of playing Shaman I have noticed more and more people dodging my bites, I still hit with it, usually ALOT when im matched below my level but when my games are evenly matched skill levels my opponents seem to be pretty good at avoiding it.
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Its not only about dodge a jump. Shaman is imbalanced.
Shaman vs peace keeper :both have jump to head attack, both have dodge attack, Both can go for grab during heavy attack, both can bleed enemy while heavy attack, but its all for peace keeper. shaman can push you to wall with jump, garantee hit after that, blood shaman can eat and heal herself, while everyattack heals her too. she can jump to left or right and hit , unblockable finishing !!!!!!!!!and her throw distanceeeeeeeeeeeee after grab and jump to throw u to hell.
Shaman vs orochi : both have dodge attack, and thats it, the charg attack of orochi is kinda useless compare to jump attack ( left,up,right ) of shaman, and other thing list above.
shaman vs beserker : both have dodge attack, ok beserker might have good heavy head attack as finisher , but if u play vs him alot, then he has nothing more except of feint like **** and hope for mistake of opponent. yes look at list above.
I ,m playing on PC, i know shaman and her timing , and i ,m just o playing vs shaman. Not that hard, but its not about dodge her jump or something like this, ITS about she has toooooo MUCH for a character.
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I am not disagreeing that in its current state Shaman is above most of the other classes in what she can do, the OP's issue was with her bite and her bite is reactable and dodgeable with practice, I have seen the drastic difference 2 weeks has made of me playing a Shaman with how often my bite landed early on and how much its avoided now.Its not only about dodge a jump. Shaman is imbalanced.
Shaman vs peace keeper :both have jump to head attack, both have dodge attack, Both can go for grab during heavy attack, both can bleed enemy while heavy attack, but its all for peace keeper. shaman can push you to wall with jump, garantee hit after that, blood shaman can eat and heal herself, while everyattack heals her too. she can jump to left or right and hit , unblockable finishing !!!!!!!!!
Shaman vs orochi : both have dodge attack, and thats it, the charg attack of orochi is kinda useless compare to jump attack ( left,up,right ) of orochi, and other thing list above.
shaman vs beserker : both have dodge attack, ok beserker might have good heavy head attack as finisher , but if u play vs him alot, then he has nothing more except of feint like **** and hope for mistake of opponent. yes look at list above.
I ,m playing on PC, i know shaman and her timing , and i ,m just o playing vs shaman. Not that hard, but its not about dodge her jump or something like this, ITS about she has toooooo MUCH for a character.
What I do disagree with you on is that I don't think Shaman has to much for one character, I think the problem is that the other classes don't have enough. I wish everyone would stop screaming nerf everything, but instead scream to buff up the weakness of the other classes. The Shaman is fun to play, win or lose and its because she has so much she can do, bring the rest of the roster up to her speed and you got yourself a fun game.
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Yeah...
I can't wait for the first round of original character reworks to give all these other original heroes much more extensive kits to mock my Orochi with.
Because Orochi didn't need to be included in the first round of these at all.
Maybe it's because he's a Samurai, we poop on his head.
No buff for you!
You wait another year!
You quit game!
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Or perhaps to be fair for all factions they included one knight, one Viking and one samurai? Instead of choosing two of one faction which would cause the other two factions to call favourites. Most would probably agree Kensei is more deserving than Orochi for first round as well.Originally Posted by DaLast_Samurai Go to original post
Samurai, complains when all factions get treated equally. Typical.
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I think maybe just taking hits for 3 rounds would be faster than the relog,plus you lose out on practice. However, I can understand your frustration.Originally Posted by JDRisingerII Go to original post
Usually I am the last person to call for nerfs -i think buffing the rest of the cat is the way to go. I also always suggest playing the character you struggle against to rep 1 (at least) to learn their move set. I struggled against cent and played him for a bit - after he was a breeze (even before his nerfs). I struggled against glad and played him to the same result.
However . . . I have played shaman to rep 2 now and have noticed 2 things:
1. Her timings are very variable ( She has large feint Windows and variable jump attack windows that seem to have delayed indicators). This makes it incredibly hard to parry or otherwise react to her attacks.
2. Her recovery (on dodge and attacks) is extremely fast (we are talking PK speeds on dodge - seemingly faster on some attacks).
I have never played a character that I consistently have so much success on. Alternatively, I've never repped a character and continued to struggle so much against her. While I would love to see the rest of the cast be brought up to her level, until that happens she may be a bit of a problem.
As a point of reference I have gained PK since beta (but also play Kensei, nobushi, and shinobi often). I have all character to at least rep one and do reasonably well in all game modes). After playing shaman until a bit over rep 2, my KDA is about 20% higher than on pk (who is also very stong). My winrate in duels is 5% higher and in dominion is a staggering 11% higher (which is a huge boost over my main). Stealth plus a long CC unlockable fast 50 damage nuke very powerful in group fights.
I would suggest waiting till after the reworks to see if ubi was successful in bringing the original cast up to speed. If not, maybe she needs a second look.
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Don't worry, man, I'm sure they'll levy another couple largely meaningless stamina costs instead of taking care of the actual problem.Originally Posted by JDRisingerII Go to original post
Wow Centurion is 100-0ing people because he got one jab on them near a wall? Better nerf the stamina cost on his feints.
, then its more a gg, than when they have it like now !