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    Originally Posted by nairda2k9 Go to original post
    It SHOULD be fair. It might be an unrealistic request when the developers have no interest whatsoever in player enjoyment but everyone has a right to expect it to be fair.

    Mouse and Keyboard gives an advantage in my opinion and I believe people who choose to use them should play on a server with other M&K users.

    The issue with the chronus max is that the developers have been asked if their use is cheating and they refuse to give an answer because if they say yes it puts pressure on them to eradicate the problem. However by saying nothing it leaves the door open in the future for them to ban anyone who has used them.

    In my opinion if they cannot fix this and have no intention of doing so they need to come out like they did with the rpm glitch and say that no bans will be issued for people using chronus max. Let us all use them and be on an even playing field.
    Is it a game developers issue though?

    Xbox and Sony build the hardware, this is a third party add on that causes the hardware to act in a way that is not intended.

    It's an industry wide problem - specific to hardware
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    Originally Posted by Sally_x Go to original post
    . It's a pure cheating method no question about it!!

    It can give you a rapid fire mode /headshot auto aim /auto strafing cheeken dance /pop a med kit or a self heal when you are about to die /
    It is not a hardware update it's a cheating device and I will never use or encourage using it . Use your skills instead
    That's the point though, how can you call something cheating if there are no rules.
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    Is it a game developers issue though?

    Xbox and Sony build the hardware, this is a third party add on that causes the hardware to act in a way that is not intended.

    It's an industry wide problem - specific to hardware
    Agreed. The developers didn't create the problem, but they do have a responsibility to deal with the issue once it becomes an issue in THEIR game. I'm not blaming them for not stopping players using chronus max. I understand the issue there.

    My issue is that because they cannot do anything they have just ignored the issue, let it drop of the radar. Classic bury your head in the sand and hope it will go away type scenario.

    They should be looking for alternatives or come out and say "We know it sucks, we have done everything we can but we can't fix it so the best we can do is say that we won't be handing out any punishments and if the rest of you wish to use chronus max, you can."
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    That's the point though, how can you call something cheating if there are no rules.
    I don't think THAT is strictly true. I am pretty sure that on PC any sort of aimbot and device to assist you in automatically popping a medkit is considered cheating and you can be banned for it.

    I could be wrong but I think the underlying issue here is not that the developers don't consider this cheating but that they have no way to detect it's use and so they are avoiding calling it cheating since that puts more pressure on them to do something about it.

    Refusing to classify this as a cheat simply because you don't know what to do once you have admitted it is unethical in my book.
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    I see your point though, so let's ask the developers straight up.
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    That's the point though, how can you call something cheating if there are no rules.
    That's how they are marketing it right now
    (Gain an upper hand )( exploit the game)
    It is cheating it's not different than a aim bot
    If it was not cheating then definitely they would allow it in E-sports
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    Originally Posted by nairda2k9 Go to original post
    They should be looking for alternatives or come out and say "We know it sucks, we have done everything we can but we can't fix it so the best we can do is say that we won't be handing out any punishments and if the rest of you wish to use chronus max, you can."
    So why don't you go ahead and get one?

    Ubisoft isn't doing everything the can to fix it, because there's nothing they can do to fix it. The calls coming form cronusmax have to go though the console's OS and the API feeding the game the calls.
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    Originally Posted by nairda2k9 Go to original post
    The problem as I understand it is that Massive are unable to detect the use of these devices because they emulate controllers in their input and appear to the game and console to be regular controllers.
    It's not just that Cronus emulates the general behaviour of a controller, they actually spoof the unique identity of a real controller at the hardware level, by cloning its security key and tricking the console into thinking that a legitimate and fully authenticated controller is being used. The real controller is required to first authenticate the connection to the console, and then Cronus steps in to take control using the cloned/spoofed security key, and the console is none the wiser.

    They're surprisingly open about it on their website: https://cronusmax.com/manual/limitations.htm

    So this is not really an issue that developers like Massive should have to deal with, nor can they probably do much about it without some considerable low level system hacking. This is a fundamental issue within the operating system of the console itself, and how the system detects and authenticates valid controllers and other USB devices. Sony and Micosoft need to put their heads together and figure out a way to detect and prevent rogue hardware like Cronus from spoofing legitimate equipment.

    Nevertheless, Massive do still need to beef up systems like weapon handling, aiming, movement, etc., to help prevent the kind of exploits that Cronus enables.


    Originally Posted by Sally_x Go to original post
    I think Sony and Microsoft are getting profits from license of Cronus Max .
    You really think Cronus went to Sony and Microsoft to tell them all about their intention to hack and bypass the console's security and hardware authentication?

    There is no such license or profits involved if you ask me. Cronus is simply doing some shady crap and operating within a very hazy legal grey area. They have managed to find a loophole that didn't get them busted yet, that's all.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    So why don't you go ahead and get one?

    Ubisoft isn't doing everything the can to fix it, because there's nothing they can do to fix it. The calls coming form cronusmax have to go though the console's OS and the API feeding the game the calls.
    Simply because they haven't said that we can. To me it appears common sense that this is cheating. I don't recall any games manufacturer ever condoning the use of aimbots. So what it boils down to (in my mind) is that they do see this as cheating but are just powerless to stop it.

    To answer your question, what bothers me is if I do use it and they subsequently do find a way to detect it's use, they then start banning players which would include me.

    I simply think the developers should clarify their position and intention.
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    Originally Posted by illformed Go to original post
    It's not just that Cronus emulates the general behaviour of a controller, they actually spoof the unique identity of a real controller at the hardware level, by cloning its security key and tricking the console into thinking that a legitimate and fully authenticated controller is being used. The real controller is required to first authenticate the connection to the console, and then Cronus steps in to take control using the cloned/spoofed security key, and the console is none the wiser.

    They're surprisingly open about it on their website: https://cronusmax.com/manual/limitations.htm

    So this is not really an issue that developers like Massive should have to deal with, nor can they probably do much about it without some considerable low level system hacking. This is a fundamental issue within the operating system of the console itself, and how the system detects and authenticates valid controllers and other USB devices. Sony and Micosoft need to put their heads together and figure out a way to detect and prevent rogue hardware like Cronus from spoofing legitimate equipment.

    Nevertheless, Massive do still need to beef up systems like weapon handling, aiming, movement, etc., to help prevent the kind of exploits that Cronus enables.




    You really think Cronus went to Sony and Microsoft to tell them all about their intention to hack and bypass the console's security and hardware authentication?

    There is no such license or profits involved if you ask me. Cronus is simply doing some shady crap and operating within in a very hazy legal grey area. They have managed to find a loophole that didn't get them busted yet, that's all.
    It's an easy fix for Sony and Microsoft !!
    This Two company's are the biggest in technology and software development!!

    Cronus Max is printing Xbox & PS4 protected trademark logs on there box cover !! Now what does that mean?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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