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[Archo-Vax]

I don't know exactly what the "defensive meta" is. If it's real, then I haven't really experienced it to any degree. It's never really been a problem for me. In any case, I don't know what the issue with the defensive meta is, but I sure as Hell prefer it to whatever the Hell the Shaman and Aramusha are. If the developers look at those two and think "that's what this game should be", then I'm afraid I might have to drop the game.

There's... just no enjoyment to be found in fighting either of them. Or playing as them. The Aramusha is like a mini-boss in Dark Souls, and the Shaman is like a full-on boss. Not insurmountable, but they demand that you keep your concentration levels at 100% for 100% of the time, and if you screw up once, it can be the end for you. That's not a bad thing, but it's not what I bought For Honor for- it's not what this game sold me on.

None of the other heroes are the same way, and the Season 4 heroes just DO NOT FIT in For Honor. They feel like they came from a completely different game.

[Herbstlicht]

I think you are wrong.
Shaman might still have numbers too much in her favor. At least on console she can pretty much guarantee getting a bleed and if the player is always a little bit knowledgeable, there are sooo many recovery frames for so many opponents where you can very safely jump at them. And deal hella lot of damage AND get your stamina back. But especially the shaman having this many options is and being swift is nice.

Take the Highlander as the opposite. He has some options but is slow as ****. He can't spam offensive lights due to stamina. So in the end, he is bottom tier. I take the two new ones over him any time of the day. Though I really like Highlander personally, he simply is too weak to be competetive. Quite the opposite with the two new ones.

[Archo-Vax]

I think you are wrong.
Shaman might still have numbers too much in her favor. At least on console she can pretty much guarantee getting a bleed and if the player is always a little bit knowledgeable, there are sooo many recovery frames for so many opponents where you can very safely jump at them. And deal hella lot of damage AND get your stamina back. But especially the shaman having this many options is and being swift is nice.

Take the Highlander as the opposite. He has some options but is slow as ****. He can't spam offensive lights due to stamina. So in the end, he is bottom tier. I take the two new ones over him any time of the day. Though I really like Highlander personally, he simply is too weak to be competetive. Quite the opposite with the two new ones.

If Ubisoft are going to continue in the way of the Shaman and Aramusha, and continue to stray further away from the Heroes of Seasons 1-3, then For Honor is going to become a very unenjoyable game, for me.

[Charmzzz]

If Ubisoft are going to continue in the way of the Shaman and Aramusha, and continue to stray further away from the Heroes of Seasons 1-3, then For Honor is going to become a very unenjoyable game, for me.

Currently in the rework pipe are: Conq, Berserker, Kensei. Others will follow. I expect that the movesets of the reworked Characters are on par with the DLC Characters and I am fine with that. Sorry that it is not your taste.

[Tyrfing_.]

I also have to disagree here.
Was facing a Shugoki yesterday with my main Kensei. Sure he was a good player and I could not find any way to open him up. Not Sure if I could even damage him considerably. So he kicked my a** badly, and it was no fun at all.
I have far less problems to fight Shamans with Kensei.
Think its all down to the match-up.

Finally it is also more fun to play as Shaman.

[Archo-Vax]

Well, it's kind of not. I didn't realize that getting rid of the defensive meta entailed turning the game into a spam-fest and making skill at blocking inconsequential.

[Archo-Vax]

I also have to disagree here.
Was facing a Shugoki yesterday with my main Kensei. Sure he was a good player and I could not find any way to open him up. Not Sure if I could even damage him considerably. So he kicked my a** badly, and it was no fun at all.
I have far less problems to fight Shamans with Kensei.
Think its all down to the match-up.

Finally it is also more fun to play as Shaman.

The Shugoki beat you because he's good at blocking. Because he's skilled.
You beat that Shaman because the person playing her was slacking.

It is not fun to play as Shaman. Not for me. Reducing everyone's blocking skills to a speed bump and being able to completely by-pass any measure of skill that your opponent has is utterly moronic.

[Charmzzz]

The Shugoki beat you because he's good at blocking. Because he's skilled.
You beat that Shaman because the person playing her was slacking.

It is not fun to play as Shaman. Not for me. Reducing everyone's blocking skills to a speed bump and being able to completely by-pass any measure of skill that your opponent has is utterly moronic.

Why is simple blocking "skill" in your opinion? Why is feinting and using mixups "spam" and not "skill" in your opinion? Sorry, but this comment sounds like you are a terribad player and you want to stay in a casual and simple scheme. I prefer feint-heavy, soft-feinting, mixup intensive fights over staring contests where nobody attacks because it could be parried into a heavy punish. Because that is what it gets right now when you reach a certain skill-level.

[ChampionRuby50g]

The Shugoki beat you because he's good at blocking. Because he's skilled.
You beat that Shaman because the person playing her was slacking.

It is not fun to play as Shaman. Not for me. Reducing everyone's blocking skills to a speed bump and being able to completely by-pass any measure of skill that your opponent has is utterly moronic.

It's the opposite actually. Blocking is incredibly easy to do, and doesn't take that much skill. It's the very first thing you learn in the game after all. It's also far easier at the moment to just sit and wait for your opponent to attack and react to that for free and easy damage, which is the turtle meta. On Consoles it wasn't as large, but nonetheless annoying when you came across someone. One could argue it's more skillfull to be able to react to and counter all the soft feints and spam. Spam itself was never hard to react to because you could easily predict what move is coming and know how to counter it.

[Ulrichvonbek111]

I don't know exactly what the "defensive meta" is. If it's real, then I haven't really experienced it to any degree. It's never really been a problem for me. In any case, I don't know what the issue with the defensive meta is, but I sure as Hell prefer it to whatever the Hell the Shaman and Aramusha are. If the developers look at those two and think "that's what this game should be", then I'm afraid I might have to drop the game.

There's... just no enjoyment to be found in fighting either of them. Or playing as them. The Aramusha is like a mini-boss in Dark Souls, and the Shaman is like a full-on boss. Not insurmountable, but they demand that you keep your concentration levels at 100% for 100% of the time, and if you screw up once, it can be the end for you. That's not a bad thing, but it's not what I bought For Honor for- it's not what this game sold me on.

None of the other heroes are the same way, and the Season 4 heroes just DO NOT FIT in For Honor. They feel like they came from a completely different game.

The Centurion has been the worst addition to this game.
It took almost two whole seasons to fix him from being the most OP hero..
How many do you see now the nerf came into play ?
Very little thankfully.
Every season the new heroes we prepaid for go from worse to worse.
I'm glad that you are feeling disgruntled,,boo hoo I'm gonna put the game down boo hoo.
Nobody deserves it better believe me.
It's a change that the Vikings get their first OP hero.
The first two seasons brought us two powerful monstrous killers.
One of which came from season 1 and season 2,,both of whom were Romans supposed knights...one being greatly more OP than the other.
When the Spamturionic mountain was released I found his relevance to the game nil,,just the same as when Sadiator reared its ugly head..
Now I mentioned this when I gave you my opinion on your "Lore"
to which yourself and your petty snifflers jumped on my opinion and tried to slaughter me,,your crying to Ubi/whover was heard from space..I still hold the same contempt for you as you for me.

The Aramusha and Shaman are rightfully both fitting to this game.They both ooze charisma when mastered and can be beaten at any given time.
The Spamturionic gimp as I said took almost two whole seasons to fix,,daily there were requests,,pleas and the like to fix him for he was putting many people off playing.
During this time your "Lore" appeared and when I broached it with my concerns over the knights getting all the most effective let's say grenades (Lawbringer 5+) and how I detested the abuse of such an OP Spamturion you took it upon yourself to try and be the witch hunter general trying to cast aspersions on my intelligence. ... Wow......again....... Wow

This now is why I love to see you spit out the dummy.
Boo hoo Shaman hurt me
Boo hoo Aramusha not for real.

Get a grip,,use your gang of snifflers to stifle them or just go on bended knee (remember the neck brace for the bloated ego) to Ubi/whoever and "Lore" them to death.