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[Saml84]

I am genuinely confused as to how people say warden is good he has one move that is half way decent but they nerfed it and now all you need to do is dodge and it is a free guard break or even worse you just roll back and negate the whole mix up so that leaves him with a decently quick light that gets parried and a zone that is very fast but if it gets blocked it is also a free guard break he is honestly one of the worst characters and shares the smallest move list with the berserker please give him something new.

[PDXGorechild]

He excels at playing defensively and is arguably one of the best classes for this besides the classes with shields. He is in need of some attention, but he certainly isn't top of the list where buffs are concerned.

[Vordred]

the Warden is not bad, he can still do really well, but he is really dull. and kind of a 1 trick pony.

I would like to see him get a rework, get rid of the shoulder bash mix up and give him a new kit, as for a guy with a longsword, he spends more time trying to shove people than using the sword.

that being said, i was saying that back in the alpha and beta, that he is good, but just gets really dull to play after a while.

[bob333e]

Warden main here. Rep 11 now, I play on PS4.

Warden is primarily a counter-attacker. Most of his combat game is countering your opponent and baiting them with feints. I agree that most of his mixup game relies on the shoulder bash, and btw it wasn't "nerfed to the ground", it's still hella useful provided you time it right.

When you dodge with Warden, always follow up with a shoulder bash, feint it if needed, throw a zone, or a top light into shoulder bash again. He's excellent with these mixups and often people won't react in time to his zone, especially if the Warden player knew when to land it.

Warden can also chain his Crushing Counter with yet another shoulder bash and going either double lights and continuing into vortex or throwing double lights, feinting a second SB and initiating a GB, or going double light then feinting a heavy into another SB which in turn is feinted into GB, or top light, SB, double light, SB into GB, wallsplat, side heavy, feint second heavy into GB, wallsplat again.... depends on the situation. There's more still. If you vortex twice, you can bait a dodge and punish it with a SB feinted into GB. And rinse and repeat.

And I still didn't mention parries.

He's not dull by any means. He's easy to play, but hard to master.

[Saml84]

He excels at playing defensively and is arguably one of the best classes for this besides the classes with shields. He is in need of some attention, but he certainly isn't top of the list where buffs are concerned.

One of the best defensive characters besides shield characters? He doesn't even have a ability that helps defense like a shove on block like lb or armor like shug or berserker he was ment to be aggressive hence why they gave him a in move like shoulder bash. Edit: does have crushing counter

[bob333e]

and kind of a 1 trick pony.

They all are, except Gladiator, Aramusha and Shaman. Highlander is so-so, it's really hard to play him in a really good way, but he's still capable of having more than 1 major trick.

[DaLast_Samurai]

One of the best defensive characters besides shield characters? He doesn't even have a ability that helps defense like a shove on block like lb or armor like shug or berserker he was ment to be aggressive hence why they gave him a in move like shoulder bash. Edit: does have crushing counter

He sure can be against my Orochi.
All the Warden's I ever face are the epitimy of a turtle, without exception.
Which I suppose is how he has to play.

Half of them I can crack open a bit with feints into top lights, guard breaks, or zone attacks.

But the really good ones are impossible to crack open.

Which boggles my mind sometimes because I feint very quickly with my cancle button reassigned to L2.
I actually hit cancel first and heavy simultaneously, and get the quickest feint into attack you'll ever see.

I can't believe sometimes no matter how many ways I try to trick one, they never miss the block and punish me.

I'll feint my right, his left.
No matter if I go for top lights, guard break or zone to the other side...
And more astonishingly, if I come back after a few of these attempts and just side light rather than feint.

At least Orochi can dodge his shoulder bash easily.
And like I said, only about half are really good with him like this.
And less of them fully impossible to this full extent.

But I run into them enough to tell you, there are definitely defensive masters out there with Warden.

[Vordred]

They all are, except Gladiator, Aramusha and Shaman. Highlander is so-so, it's really hard to play him in a really good way, but he's still capable of having more than 1 major trick.

see the Highlander i don't mind it's who i play the most these days, i find him fun. sure he isn't as consistent as the Warden and he has a lot of flaws, but still enjoyable and play around with a lot of stuff. where as with the warden everything is based around that shoulder bash, doesn't matter what you do, it is normally always leading to that shoulder bash mix up.

[bob333e]

see the Highlander i don't mind it's who i play the most these days, i find him fun. sure he isn't as consistent as the Warden and he has a lot of flaws, but still enjoyable and play around with a lot of stuff. where as with the warden everything is based around that shoulder bash, doesn't matter what you do, it is normally always leading to that shoulder bash mix up.

Yes, everyone except Gladiator, Aramusha and Shaman, and Highlander in some cases, ultimately rely on one major trick. It's sad, but it's the origin of the game; nothing got downgraded, it's just the new heroes have set a new standard and I only hope the rework on the original roster gets done in the right way. Without nerfing nor overpowering anybody.

[Vordred]

Yes, everyone except Gladiator, Aramusha and Shaman, and Highlander in some cases, ultimately rely on one major trick. It's sad, but it's the origin of the game; nothing got downgraded, it's just the new heroes have set a new standard and I only hope the rework on the original roster gets done in the right way. Without nerfing nor overpowering anybody.

though thinking about it, i would probably put the Aramusha in a one trick category too.

but yeah, here is hoping for some good reworks, looking forward to the Conq and Zerker ones myself