Warden
Peacekeepr
Lawbringer
Raider
Warlord
Valkyrie
Shugoki
Orochi
Nobushi
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So Kensei, Conqueror and Berserker will soon(™) be getting the reworks they so desperately need to be as viable as the new classes and their huge kits, which is a third of the roster now. For that reason they'll obviously be left out.
This leaves Warden, Peacekeeper, Lawbringer, Raider, Warlord, Valkyrie, Orochi, Shugoki and Nobushi.
Personally I think the Orochi is next in line for a rework, being that he only has a few viable attacks and has become increasingly boring to play compared to all the other new and shiny classes. Lawbringer seems like he's in a similar position. I've always thought the Shugoki could do with some love as well, he's such a cool class but suffers massive under-representation for some reason.
All the other classes seem like they're in a decent place to me, mid tier at least. Not so sure they need reworks as much as a few tweaks.
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I wouldn't say orochi has few viable moves. If you look at things on a spread sheet his "best" options are top heavy after parry or any punish situation and top lights. But the problem with spread sheets is that it doesn't account for the whole gameplay picture. His dodge attacks are great against heros that are super punished by dodge attacks. A recent example is shaman. Storm rush is a better option for whiff punishing compared to zone against assassins. Zone is still viable even after flicker fix against people who use unblockables as mix ups. I can go on. I'm not saying his kit can't be touched up. Just pointing out that orochi's problem is less his kit and more so that he's purely a counter attacker who is meant to use specific options against specific things. This forces people to play a way they are not comfortable with.
I want to personally say lawbringer or goki. Just because shove on block NEEDS to go. And I just absolutely hate goki's design entirely. He's super turtly and HIGHLY benefits off of a single slip up. He's also built around trading which would be fine if it require risk assessment. It generally doesn't. You either roll goki or he rolls you. Which is the prime reason why conq is getting changed so goki should as well based on that logic.
Though if I set my bias aside I would say the next kit that's actually hurting and needs a look is valk. She's absolutely pointless and extremely punishable. Her poke poke sweep loop is too easy to avoid and punish. Her dodge and dash attacks are too easy to punish. her shield/helmet smack are too situational. I can go on. All OG heros need some kind of work. either due to being actually worthless or because they rely on an outdated gimmick. Like warden.
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well, i know a lot of people complain about the Orochi. but it's not a class I play so can't really comment on how bad it is.
honestly, i feel like the Centurion could do with one. the Cent and Shinobi feel a bit like failed experiments to me.
but out of the ones on the list, I voted for the warden, for pretty bias reason those, I love the warden, but I find him really boring to play and 50/50ing people just feels lame.
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He’s already getting a rework...Originally Posted by CoyoteXStarrk Go to original post
I want to see warden, shug, and orochi next
Warden because he’s the most predictable and boring to play character. Would like to see him be more rounded and have more options.
Shug is so limited on what he can do. Trade hit. Demons embrace. I don’t think he needs a huge kit, just some options that let him keep his tank role and add more depth
Orochi is in a better place than the other 2 but is very lackluster that needs a couple more options than he has. I don’t feel like he needs an unblockable opener. He’s a counter attacker and should stay that way.
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yeah i would certainly agree with thatOriginally Posted by WABO423 Go to original post
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I want to see the Peacekeeper get a rework for the same kind of reason Raime mentioned Lawbringer, her spam needs to go, but there are others that need it first. If it were me I would try to carry on the pattern set by the first batch, one for each faction focussing on arguably the lowest tier in those factions. So we have for this one
Conqueror, Berserker, Kensei
I would likely go from here
Lawbringer, Valkyrie, Orochi
Peacekeeper, Raider, Shugoki
Warden, Warlord, Nobushi
In my view,on that list, Peacekeeper and Warden could be interchangeable as could Orochi and Shugoki, you could also make the argument that Shugoki and Orochi could do with being in the same batch ahead of Lawbringer or Valkyrie but I think one per faction each time is fair.
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Yes, Coyote. I think most people are aware of that. The dev's are too, hence the announcement.Originally Posted by CoyoteXStarrk Go to original post
Agree with Knight_Raime on Lawbringer and Shugoki. Both of these classes only really have one viable tactic which although can be quite effective, is boring to play as or against. Conqueror needs his rework for the same reason so glad he's getting one first. I do feel sorry for people who main these classes, my Berserker is trash but tons of fun and really engaging to play hence why i've stuck with him.
Agree with Candle on the blocks of three classes with one from each faction per rework. This should stop the Samurai from getting too salty...
Interesting to see more people voted Valkyrie than I initially thought. I've seen skilled Valkyrie's that scare the absolute crap outta me.
