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[Okita_Soji..]

So a couple of youtubers turn out to not be as pro as everyone thinks and that's a cause for alarm? I'm honestly curious if you've actually picked up the be heroes and played them before you made this post. Go spam with any hero and see how far that gets you in a match. Even in 4s you can't go crazy with the spam or risk getting screwed by a recent popped.

I disagree with that last statement about the 4v4... I was just playing tribute and it is next impossible to stop aramusha light spam from the front with a shamen attacking your side as an assassin. Just drop the Xbox controller when that happens cause you can't react fast enough to do anything. I'm no pro but both their total reps don't even add up to mine is its not like I'm new to this game. 1v1's might not be impossible but these new heros excel in 4v4. No lie almost every game the new heros were the top take down players no make what rep level on each side. Even some total rep 2 player with a 12 level shamen had 16 kills. Not sure how he got matched with our group as everyone else was rep 30-50.

I think the game is going down hill and it is not as fun anymore. I have been having a blast playing this since season 2, it was easily my favorite game and I couldn't wait for the Ronin. So disappointed. Now if you get into a game with lets say againt 3 shamen, which is quite normal now, why bother as it will be a slaughter no matter what level they are.

Maybe PC is different but here on Xbox both new heros out class everyone else. Season 3 wasn't like this. Even against the glad I never felt over matched from the start. As an assassin the light spam crap is ridiculous with the feints that keep the chain going. You want to make it balanced make everyone have a reflex guard then see how tough these new heros are compaired to the rest of the cast.

[NHLGoldenKnight]

The slower style of fighting you where talking about has a name: The Turtle Meta. Players complained that it was not fun to play as, and that everyone hated turtles so Ubisoft have listened and these recent heroes are designed to combat the turtle meta. I think the game is headed in a very good direction with the combat right now, but also believe that Ubisoft has a lot of work to do in ironing out all the bugs and issues the game has.
What we can learn from this thread is that no matter what, the community will never be happy. We are finally putting the turtle meta behind us, but now people are starting to complain that it's not as slow. All the calculated attacks from the start of the game? Waiting for your enemy to make a move and react to that constantly instead of doing anything yourself you mean.
If you can't adapt to the way the game is going, don't beg for it to be changed back. Switch on a little more, and you can find it's still very much possible to be calculating and have a strategy while playing aggressive.

You are wrong. Over 20 years of experience playing video games tells me that Turtle Meta is fake and poor excuse for not wanting to show skill, patience and use tactics. It doesn't exist.
New generation of young gamers doesn't want to put too much effort in, they want low risk - quick reward gaming experience in which they only need to keep smashing same button in order to feel skillful and to win. Just so they can feel good about themselves.

I play relatively aggressively, but fighting against likes of Warloard, Lawbringer or Shugoki is real pleasure for me. Challenging and rewarding even when I loose.

[Alustar.exe]

I disagree with that last statement about the 4v4... I was just playing tribute and it is next impossible to stop aramusha light spam from the front with a shamen attacking your side as an assassin. Just drop the Xbox controller when that happens cause you can't react fast enough to do anything. I'm no pro but both their total reps don't even add up to mine is its not like I'm new to this game. 1v1's might not be impossible but these new heros excel in 4v4. No lie almost every game the new heros were the top take down players no make what rep level on each side. Even some total rep 2 player with a 12 level shamen had 16 kills. Not sure how he got matched with our group as everyone else was rep 30-50.

I think the game is going down hill and it is not as fun anymore. I have been having a blast playing this since season 2, it was easily my favorite game and I couldn't wait for the Ronin. So disappointed. Now if you get into a game with lets say againt 3 shamen, which is quite normal now, why bother as it will be a slaughter no matter what level they are.

Maybe PC is different but here on Xbox both new heros out class everyone else. Season 3 wasn't like this. Even against the glad I never felt over matched from the start. As an assassin the light spam crap is ridiculous with the feints that keep the chain going. You want to make it balanced make everyone have a reflex guard then see how tough these new heros are compaired to the rest of the cast.

There is a difference between well coordinated attacks and mindless spam though. I currently run shaman and my friend runs musha. We communicate constantly, letting one another know when to back off or hold cover.
Combating a gank has always been hard, I personally think that the reason players have become more aggressive is due to more players becoming familiar with their hero's move sets. Now that we are coming up to the year mark muscle memory has become second nature in many cases.
If you have trouble fighting back against multiple opponents, I suggest finding in a custom match against several bots by yourself till you get more comfortable. It's possible, not easy, but possible.

[Okita_Soji..]

In a game today I took down a raider and a shinobi 2v1 and a LB and shinobi 2v1 with my orochi. I'm not trying to brag but I survived thanks to revenge and luck. A later game a shamen and aramusha 2v1 and 2v1 with 2 aramushas I was dead in 2 sec. revenge never even came up either time.

[ChampionRuby50g]

Well, right now I am playing Dominion and there is this guy who his sending irritating Wow Wow texts because he being killed now and then. But why he is doing that? Because he is playing as Shaman and somehow believes he shoud win every fight.

He just tried to take away zone with only 1 bar of health left and I killed him easily. Guess what, he is completely surprised, how the hell I was able to kill him?

These cocky Millennials , what else to say

And you are somehow better, by generalising Millennials into one category and assuming the reason you gave is actual fact?
To be fair, this player does sound like a fool, but you've also proven yourself to be one with this comment.

[ChampionRuby50g]

You are wrong. Over 20 years of experience playing video games tells me that Turtle Meta is fake and poor excuse for not wanting to show skill, patience and use tactics. It doesn't exist.
New generation of young gamers doesn't want to put too much effort in, they want low risk - quick reward gaming experience in which they only need to keep smashing same button in order to feel skillful and to win. Just so they can feel good about themselves.

I play relatively aggressively, but fighting against likes of Warloard, Lawbringer or Shugoki is real pleasure for me. Challenging and rewarding even when I loose.

I think we have a very different idea of skill. If you call skill never ever throwing out a single attack yourself and waiting for easy parrys that is.
A lot more people complained about the turtle meta in season 1 and 2, not all young people. Stop generalising everyone, it doesn't help your case. A lot of adults on this forum would argue that there is/was a turtle meta.
the fact is, it might be showing patience, you could call it a tactic, but by no means is it fun to the vast majority of players. I'm a console player and the turtle meta was never huge here, but when you came across a player who did nothing but turtle it wasn't fun. If you where a hero with no openers, Beserker for example, you would always struggle to beat someone who never attacked and just waited for you. When you play a game, you want it to be fun.

[Alustar.exe]

You are wrong. Over 20 years of experience playing video games tells me that Turtle Meta is fake and poor excuse for not wanting to show skill, patience and use tactics. It doesn't exist.
New generation of young gamers doesn't want to put too much effort in, they want low risk - quick reward gaming experience in which they only need to keep smashing same button in order to feel skillful and to win. Just so they can feel good about themselves.

I play relatively aggressively, but fighting against likes of Warloard, Lawbringer or Shugoki is real pleasure for me. Challenging and rewarding even when I loose.

And my 20+ years would say the opposite. It's not hard to block with certain classes and commit to the same repetitive combos from a block, never once making the first move.
Cheese tactics exist on both sides of the fence, bub. The real skill check in this game is adaptability and reaction to changing factors. That's why we have multiple attack vectors, where the typical fighting game has two, maybe three at best. But really, I see this game moving towards a balance, in that you are rewarded based on your class. it rewards aggressive and defensive players alike.

Also, 20+ years of gaming likely puts you in your thirties, which, coincidentally would make you a millennial as well. Might want to be careful climbing on that high horse

[Vordred]

I must admit myself, I do not like the direction the game is taking. the devs seem to be trying to fix a problem, but going about it the wrong way. now we have a ton of fast attack, unblokables and 50/50 mix-ups. which can make the game very frustrating especially in 4V4. which is what most people play.

now yeah the turtle meta did exist, but the Problem was never that you could defend yourself well. it was that Parries guarantee good Damage, and dodge attacks to some extent too.
that is what led to starring contests, with no one wanting to attack first. because the reward for too high for being defensive and too costly for being aggressive.

what needed to happen, was removing the free GB off a parry, or the free heavy off a GB. and do some of the things they have done, like increase the chip, the can't superior block lights when OOS.

instead the devs answer was to add new characters that almost feel like they came from a different game, that just say F your defence, we will just smash through it. of course they also have really fast lights too, something people have been complaining about since the beta, but no we will add more of them.

and just to make it worse, we are now stuck in this really horrible spot, where the old cast are a bit screwed because the new cast can ignore the defence meta, but they can also take advantage of it, leaving the old cast in a Catch 22.

basically what it boils down to is the core mechanics need addressing to fix the fact that defence didn't just reward you with not taking damage, but also rewards you with dealing damage, instead, we got characters that ignore the defence meta, but that can also abuse it too.

[ChampionRuby50g]

And my 20+ years would say the opposite. It's not hard to block with certain classes and commit to the same repetitive combos from a block, never once making the first move.
Cheese tactics exist on both sides of the fence, bub. The real skill check in this game is adaptability and reaction to changing factors. That's why we have multiple attack vectors, where the typical fighting game has two, maybe three at best. But really, I see this game moving towards a balance, in that you are rewarded based on your class. it rewards aggressive and defensive players alike.

My 15 years would agree with you. But, apparently because I'm 21 and a "Millennial" my influence on this game and other games will always be negative :/ Just because my reactions would be faster than Mr. No Defense Meta lol

[guor6800]

The slower style of fighting you where talking about has a name: The Turtle Meta. Players complained that it was not fun to play as, and that everyone hated turtles so Ubisoft have listened and these recent heroes are designed to combat the turtle meta. I think the game is headed in a very good direction with the combat right now, but also believe that Ubisoft has a lot of work to do in ironing out all the bugs and issues the game has.
What we can learn from this thread is that no matter what, the community will never be happy. We are finally putting the turtle meta behind us, but now people are starting to complain that it's not as slow. All the calculated attacks from the start of the game? Waiting for your enemy to make a move and react to that constantly instead of doing anything yourself you mean.
If you can't adapt to the way the game is going, don't beg for it to be changed back. Switch on a little more, and you can find it's still very much possible to be calculating and have a strategy while playing aggressive.

Defence meta isn't going to be addressed by introducing new meta "breaking" champions. They tried to do the same with freaking cent in season 2. The results are well-known.

As long as defensive mechanics remain unchanged turtle meta will be coming side by side with the game. If you don't believe me try opening a turtling shammy yourself.

If parry doesn't get reworked, they can introduce One punch man as a hero and defence meta will still be here.

Nothing personal there dude I 've just seen you spam this "defence meta being fixed" bull everywhere.

Have a good day.