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  1. #41
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    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Why should we have to pay more
    This is quite a pointless argument to make because you obviously don't have to pay for anything.

    It's completely feasible to grind in-game activities and freely earn key fragments that way instead.

    Since the last "Assault" global event ended I'd estimate that I've farmed at least 40 complete keys just from doing named boss runs, commendations, and other random activities.

    I've already used a bunch of them (and got a ton of dupes, but I fully accept that risk), but I still currently have around 25 saved up for when 1.8 drops with some new cosmetic items.

    I've also bought a few keys in the past as well as some premium credits to get skins and other stuff, but that's really not a big deal to me — I have the money to spare and fully understand what I'm buying.
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    Originally Posted by illformed Go to original post
    This is quite a pointless argument to make because you obviously don't have to pay for anything.

    It's completely feasible to grind in-game activities and freely earn key fragments that way instead.

    Since the last "Assault" global event ended I'd estimate that I've farmed at least 40 complete keys just from doing named boss runs, commendations, and other random activities.

    I've already used a bunch of them (and got a ton of dupes, but I fully accept that risk), but I still currently have around 25 saved up for when 1.8 drops with some new cosmetic items.

    I've also bought a few keys in the past as well as some premium credits to get skins and other stuff, but that's really not a big deal to me — I have the money to spare and fully understand what I'm buying.
    Why not just sell the outfits for money like they did with previous outfits? Why change that at least you know what youre getting. Hell i almost bought the pin suit but the tommy gun sucks. I only play last stand so i dont get any keys but that has nothing to do with the point. Youre potentially paying money for nothing. No you dont have to and i never would but the fact that its even an option is shady in itself. Surely there is a better way to make more money. This particular one is just pathetic and im baffled youre defending it. Refer to my previous post i suppose.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    I don't think I need to hear more wanton insults with a big dose of hyperbole tossed at Ubisoft/Massive. But, apparently, in the age of youtube/twitter/facebook, that's all most people have, and can't do without them..
    Im not refering to his methods of communicating. Only his points. Which for the most part are pretty accurate in my opinion. I dont like a lot of people on youtube but ill listen to their thoughts regardless.
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    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Why not just sell the outfits for money like they did with previous outfits?
    I agree that it would be better if we could simply buy the specific items we're interested in, and I'd prefer to see the premium vendor stocked with all of the available cosmetics in the game (including items from encrypted caches), allowing us to directly buy whatever we want, whenever we want.

    Encrypted caches would then simply be a free alternative for players who prefer to grind for keys instead. To keep things "fair" for those who paid, the encrypted caches should probably remain RNG based, so you cannot get exactly what you want for free every time. However, I also think that the caches could be split into different categories to make the RNG a bit less painful: clothing cache, weapon skin cache, backpack skin cache, emote cache, and so on.

    To me this would be the best of both worlds. Those with money can take a paid shortcut to get the cosmetics they want, and the other players can grind for RNG drops instead.

    Overall I'm not necessarily defending loot crates, but I do believe that the encrypted caches in this game are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things. Everything is purely cosmetic and 100% optional, so you can safely ignore the entire system if you wish.
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    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Its dirty because its a waste of money and targets simple people.
    You are going to go all social justice warrior on me now?

    Who in there right mind would spend money at a slim chance to recieve a digital piece of clothing? I understand they have bills but they chose their career path and i chose mine. If youre living outside your means you should adjust, or god forbid produce a product that people want and will pay money for?
    What? LOL.

    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Im not refering to his methods of communicating.
    "Methods of communicating"... LOL ... OK..

    Only his points..
    What are his points beyond the insults and dry jokes? "I don't like RNG caches"... ok. Got it. Takes 1 second to read/listen to that. What's the other 30 minutes for?
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    Watch the videos and youll find out? Its a little more in depth than that. You have no debatable response i get it.
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    Originally Posted by illformed Go to original post
    I agree that it would be better if we could simply buy the specific items we're interested in, and I'd prefer to see the premium vendor stocked with all of the available cosmetics in the game (including items from encrypted caches), allowing us to directly buy whatever we want, whenever we want.

    Encrypted caches would then simply be a free alternative for players who prefer to grind for keys instead. To keep things "fair" for those who paid, the encrypted caches should probably remain RNG based, so you cannot get exactly what you want for free every time. However, I also think that the caches could be split into different categories to make the RNG a bit less painful: clothing cache, weapon skin cache, backpack skin cache, emote cache, and so on.

    To me this would be the best of both worlds. Those with money can take a paid shortcut to get the cosmetics they want, and the other players can grind for RNG drops instead.

    Overall I'm not necessarily defending loot crates, but I do believe that the encrypted caches in this game are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things. Everything is purely cosmetic and 100% optional, so you can safely ignore the entire system if you wish.
    I agree. In my opinion though its a ridiculous thing to offer your player base. I would feel robbed spending money on a chance to get intangible items i may or may not want. Just seems like a slap in the face to me.
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    Ah, if you spend 10 cypher key fragments and get back 7 as a prize... it's 'kinda nothing.

    I know that it's a grey area, but in that scenario TD is worse than BF2.

    I think the over arching point is more about the predatory behaviour, using human psychology to manipulate people (kids) into spend more money than the 'value' of the prize.
    The prize cost is unknown because it is dependent on luck. It requires attempts to purchase. If you could go into the marketplace store and just buy Darth Vadar it wouldn't be a problem (even with pay to win).

    I don't care what adults do with their money. However, a kid's noodle isn't fully baked and it's not cool for society (games are culture) to encourage children to develop addictive behaviour.
    BF2 is directed at kids, TD not so much.

    I think it's getting to a point were Game publishers as a whole will have to decide if it's worth risking having an an age restricted rating system similar to movies imposed on them. If you have to be 21 to purchase a game... that's going to hurt their sales.
    The age restriction is not stopping anyone to buy games. Adults will buy these age rated games for there under age kids or kids will buy with there parents credit card new games.
    There is no way to know how old are you in the other side of the internet line.

    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    TD is a very minor offender....

    To bad it took EA crossing the line with Star Wars aka Disney, before people beyond the gaming industry took notice...

    As soon as you hear a Congressmen saying stuff like "predatory behavior" and "kids" in the same sentence - you know someone is in trouble.

    It's not about TD or even BF2. It's about getting some regulations in place for the gaming industry so that they know where the line is. They are incapable of answering to share holders and policing themselves.

    Down side is that games are going to cost more now.
    They already cost to much and especially cause of how they are released. This division is out over a year and soon 2 years and it's still broken.
    Thing is that they are selling us a product that isnt done and then ask more money with dumb things.

    It's not even that i would like to support game makers. I already supported them by buying there game and not pirating.
    I did my part and now need to wait for them to do there part by giving me a complete game that works flawlessly on the day one and not after 2 years or never.

    If they rise the price even more then there will be even less people who can afford to buy there games. Rising a price is the worst idea ever. Small price means more people can buy it.
    By upping the price to a point where only 1% can buy the game they can go bankruptcy fast. Think it this way. If product price is 100$/€ then there will be lets say 100 people who buy it.
    But think if the price would be 50$/€ then there will be 1000+ people who can buy it.

    There are tons of mobile games out there where you can spend 2000 euro dollar to achieve some level. They have things like buy gold but all these prices are so low that you basically dont get anything while spending 100 on it. And well there are loads of kids out there who have access to there parents credit cards and have no clue about value of a dollar euro so they will spend there parents money on them a lot.
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    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Because the game was already paid for. Why should we have to pay more for anything when i already paid for the game and the season pass? Just a dirty scheme to squeeze more money. If you havent seen 21 kilotons on youtube you should. Some of us have had an issue with it before it even released. Only difference here is we dont have as big a voice and are some how labeled the bad guys for criticizing poor marketing tactics.
    But you don't have to pay for anything. You can get the cipher keys in game, they just let you buy them if you don't anticipate to grind for them. You guys want everything easy but when they give you an easy way to get something but you have to use real money to use it you start crying again saying how it's unfair. So this statement doesn't make any sense you don't have to pay for the cipher keys that's just a way to get them at a fast rate.
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    Originally Posted by PopnYoAss Go to original post
    Because the game was already paid for. Why should we have to pay more for anything when i already paid for the game and the season pass? Just a dirty scheme to squeeze more money. If you havent seen 21 kilotons on youtube you should. Some of us have had an issue with it before it even released. Only difference here is we dont have as big a voice and are some how labeled the bad guys for criticizing poor marketing tactics.
    I've watched all of his videos and they are great entertainment. I just disagree with the degree of his overreaction about the implementation of Premium lock-boxes in TD.
    There would have been nothing to say, if Cypher keys weren't purchasable. The system and grind is totally sound without injecting more real world money. (I have not). And, they are only vanity items.

    I'm not saying that it's not a major problem industry wide. Videos like his and other over reactions from gamers is are extremely important. Over reaction seems to be the only way to keep developers in check. So, I'm glad he was upset enough to rant. Massive needs to know that there is a line... And we all need to keep scrutinizing game developers / publishers for the way micro- transactions are implemented in games (if at all).
    https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...crypted-caches
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