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    As some people said, determination of gambling means that you may get nothing in gambling and in slot machines. So, it means that in-game gambling is not a gambling (in terms of law).
    That's why the determination of gambling should be changed.
    It's clear for everyone that it cost nothing to publisher/developer to give you some digital goods (useless goods like parts of the key or something). And it's clear that they did it because of the law.
    When the determination of gambling was made, there wasn't such things like in-game digital gambling and this determination should be changed.
    I wish everyone understand it.
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    Seems like Entire games you purchase that use RNG could be lumped in there as well.
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    True and you don't have to spend a dime unless you want to. So far it is not a play to win game. Even though I currently refuse to give Ubi/Massive another dime. I have seen things that make me say," Hey that looks cool. Wish they had that in the premium vendor without having to buy a stupid cache and hope to get it." Then I remember the too many of suggestions was put on the ignore lists and was told by CMs in this forum that, "If we don't like it, this may not be the game for you." Reminded me that my money wasn't for them either.
    Maybe it ain't the game for me but IMO they are missing out on money - I'm quite happy to open my wallet to get what I want and I see the same kind of sentiment expressed in the main TD thread on another forum I visit (OcUK) but I'm not interested in trying to randomly acquire something via the current system.

    Personally I'm not against randomly trying to acquire interesting items - I bought most of my gametime via Somer Blink when playing Eve Online to play their lotteries but so much of the "premium" vendor stuff is random tat and so often duplicates I've zero interest in it.
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    Ah, if you spend 10 cypher key fragments and get back 7 as a prize... it's 'kinda nothing.
    No. It IS something.

    I know that it's a grey area,
    It is not gray at all. Seems black and white to me.

    I think the over arching point is more about the predatory behaviour, using human psychology to manipulate people (kids) into spend more money than the 'value' of the prize.
    Oh, yes, "think of the children"... right.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    No. It IS something.
    It is not gray at all. Seems black and white to me.
    Oh, yes, "think of the children"... right.
    Yeah, if we can't agree that
    10 - 3 < 10 is a negative amount reward.
    We aren't going agree on much about the topic.

    And, I'm not thinking of the children, Disney is.
    It's okay to make sure that every little girl wants a picture of a princess on her lunch box. It's okay to insidiously cramming consumerism down their throats... as long as it's done in a wholesome way.

    The world is a messed up place - parents need to step up and teach their kids that businesses are predatory and manipulative - from Joe Camel to Ronald McDonald, right on up to big pharma.
    Unfortunately, most people are sheep and they need a strong socialist agenda to protect them.
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    Yeah, if we can't agree that
    10 - 3 < 10 is a negative amount reward.
    We aren't going agree on much about the topic.
    it is not a "reward", but let's not go that route. Let's go this route: every time you use a key to open a loot crate, you will get 3 "rewards". That's a fact. If any of these "rewards" happens to be a duplicate of what you already have, then you receive key fragments for each duplicate reward.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    it is not a "reward", but let's not go that route. Let's go this route: every time you use a key to open a loot crate, you will get 3 "rewards". That's a fact. If any of these "rewards" happens to be a duplicate of what you already have, then you receive key fragments for each duplicate reward.
    So, if the key fragments aren't the reward what are they?
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    Originally Posted by Mad-Cap Go to original post
    So, if the key fragments aren't the reward what are they?
    You can call them a consolation prize, a "discount towards you next purchase", "mitigation of damages"... but the key fragments themselves are not the reward. The reward is the 3 items you get when you open the cache.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    You can call them a consolation prize, a "discount towards you next purchase", "mitigation of damages"... but the key fragments themselves are not the reward. The reward is the 3 items you get when you open the cache.
    But I didn't get the items... they were duplicates.
    Had they been awarded to me they would have been rewards,

    If the fragments are a consolation prize it implies that I lost.

    Winning and loosing are a key components to defining gambling.
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    Too me gambling is taking a chance on something turning out the way you want it, regardless of odds, money or what ever.
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