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    Seems lootboxes are now considered by certain country as gambling

    And this is interesting.

    Means that lootboxes will have to be regulated.

    There will be a lot of things moving in the next months, especially in the free-to-play mobile games and lootboxes dependant games...
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    Originally Posted by Neumeusis Go to original post
    And this is interesting.

    Means that lootboxes will have to be regulated.

    There will be a lot of things moving in the next months, especially in the free-to-play mobile games and lootboxes dependant games...
    The crates purchased with real money, each time containing random items to tempt players to buy an indefinite number of them to get what you want, are perfectly comparable to the slot machines of a casinò, no one can deny it.
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    And not just in Belgium....

    Hawaii Wants To Fight The "Predatory Behavior" Of Loot Boxes

    Here’s Rep. Chris Lee (D) from Hawaii standing in front of a camera and making an announcement about steps being taken to combat the “predatory behavior” of video game publishers, with particular emphasis given to Electronic Arts and its inclusion of loot boxes within Battlefront II.

    And I mean particular emphasis: the video is titled “EA predatory behavior announcement”, and Lee specifically calls out Battlefront II, labelling it a “Star Wars-themed online casino, designed to lure kids into spending money”.

    “It’s a trap”.

    People are more powerful than they think. While we are stepping up to act in Hawaii, we have also been in discussions with our counterparts in a number of other states who are also considering how to address this issue. Change is difficult at the federal level, but states can and are taking action.

    Even so, elected officials can’t do it alone. They need your support and you can compel action wherever you live by calling and emailing your own state legislators and asking them to act. But don’t stop there. Call your allies. Call your pastors and teachers and community leaders. Ask them to call your state legislators as well. Their voices are politically powerful.

    I believe this fight can be won because all the key bases of political support across the country are on the same side. The religious community, the medical community, the education community, consumer advocates, parents, even many business leaders and local chambers of commerce. This is a fight that unites everyone, even the most polarized conservatives and progressives. Doing something is a political win for Democrats and Republicans alike. And frankly, we don’t need to change the laws in every state - we just need to change a few and it will be enough to draw the line and compel change.

    These kinds of lootboxes and microtransactions are explicitly designed to prey upon and exploit human psychology in the same way casino games are so designed. This is especially true for young adults who child psychologists and other experts explain are particularly vulnerable. These exploitive mechanisms and the deceptive marketing promoting them have no place in games being marketed to minors, and perhaps no place in games at all.

    Your future is whatever you make it, so make it a good one. You have the power to get involved and decide this and the choice is clear: stand up now, or let this be the new normal from this point forward.One state introducing measures to combat loot boxes—seen by many, and an increasing number of official bodies, as a form of gambling—wouldn’t make too big of a difference in the global scheme of things, but if “a number of other states” from the US were to possibly join forces, as Lee is suggesting, that would be a different story.

    Lee’s proposal would see legislation introduced in Hawaii that would prohibit the sale of games featuring loot boxes to minors, and believes “these issues should be addressed before this becomes the norm for every game”. He also mentions “prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms” within games.

    “We didn’t allow Joe Camel to encourage our kids to smoke cigarettes”, State representative Sean Quinlan adds, “and we shouldn’t allow Star Wars to encourage our kids to gamble.”

    It’s worth remembering that this is simply a preliminary announcement. But it’s still a sign that after all the protests over the game’s payment and progression systems amongst its target audience, there may be genuine cause for action at a legislative level as well.
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    Though, in TD, you can earn keys in-game. You don't have spend a single dime on encrypted caches.
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    Originally Posted by Merphee Go to original post
    Though, in TD, you can earn keys in-game. You don't have spend a single dime on encrypted caches.
    True and you don't have to spend a dime unless you want to. So far it is not a play to win game. Even though I currently refuse to give Ubi/Massive another dime. I have seen things that make me say," Hey that looks cool. Wish they had that in the premium vendor without having to buy a stupid cache and hope to get it." Then I remember the too many of suggestions was put on the ignore lists and was told by CMs in this forum that, "If we don't like it, this may not be the game for you." Reminded me that my money wasn't for them either.
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    Originally Posted by YodaMan 3D Go to original post
    True and you don't have to spend a dime unless you want to. So far it is not a play to win game. Even though I currently refuse to give Ubi/Massive another dime. I have seen things that make me say," Hey that looks cool. Wish they had that in the premium vendor without having to buy a stupid cache and hope to get it." Then I remember the too many of suggestions was put on the ignore lists and was told by CMs in this forum that, "If we don't like it, this may not be the game for you." Reminded me that my money wasn't for them either.
    Here you go. This...
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    I have no issue with lootboxes in TD. Skins and emotes add nothing to this game for me. If I ever emote, it is always a clap, as it is classic. What boithers me is that they added another form of currency, which really temps people to spend real money. You should be able to convert $10 million in game to buy a cypher key.
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    Originally Posted by La_Pantomima Go to original post
    The crates purchased with real money, each time containing random items to tempt players to buy an indefinite number of them to get what you want, are perfectly comparable to the slot machines of a casinò, no one can deny it.
    It can be easily denied. Slot machines in a casino do not give you a penny in return for your failed attempt, and you may never get anything in return at all. Matter of fact, it really boggles my mind that people don't see the difference. Or at the very least, choose to forfeit reason and logic in favor if pushing their narrative.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    It can be easily denied. Slot machines in a casino do not give you a penny in return for your failed attempt, and you may never get anything in return at all. Matter of fact, it really boggles my mind that people don't see the difference. Or at the very least, choose to forfeit reason and logic in favor if pushing their narrative.
    gambling

    1.play games of chance for money; bet:
    "she was fond of gambling on cards and horses"

    •bet (a sum of money) on a game of chance:
    "he was gambling every penny he had on the spin of a wheel"

    2.take risky action in the hope of a desired result:
    "the British could only gamble that something would turn up"

    The bold writing sounds just like using real money for buying a cache.
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    Originally Posted by III_Hammer_III Go to original post
    It can be easily denied. Slot machines in a casino do not give you a penny in return for your failed attempt, and you may never get anything in return at all. Matter of fact, it really boggles my mind that people don't see the difference. Or at the very least, choose to forfeit reason and logic in favor if pushing their narrative.
    Paradoxically slot machines, lotteries and similar could give you something tangible (money, real rewards) if you are lucky.
    The lootboxes in video games never give you anything concrete after all, from a certain point of view they are even worse.
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