Is Shaman Op? (Poll) | Forums

[Baturai]

are you serious? Op As F...lying Daggers

[UbiJurassic]

We'll certainly keep our eye on this thread as we look to gather feedback on the new heroes. We understand that many members of the community have concerns regarding the Shaman and providing constructive feedback on the hero is the best way we can look to understand the issues and highlight them to the team.

[Knight_Raime]

I rly don't understand people defending the shaman, saying that she is ok. I've read the comments of knight_raime and the like... Srsy guys, you think she has a hard time to put a bleed on you? What the actual f...??? She can feint into any direction, and the feint is super-ultra-mega fast!! You can react to that? You can react to her ability to pounce all day long when you are bleeding? And then she forces you to dodge, cancels her pounce and gets a gb... oh and let's not start on the gb punish or her throw distance? I can see that you think that her design is a step in the right direction, and I could agree with that; if it were not for the fact that all the season 1 heroes ARE MILES BEHIND HER! Nerf her into the level of the rest of the heroes and once you buff and rework the old cast to her current level, buff her back. Isn't fairness something that is supposed to be pursued when balancing a game??? She has everything! Seriously, that's what you call balanced and fair?

Her feinting into bleed from a raw heavy isn't difficult to react to. If you're confident in reflexes you can absolutely switch to block it. Both side bleed attacks are 500ms. If you've been able to react to (block or parry) 500ms lights in the past this shouldn't be difficult. The only difficult one is the top bleed attack which is 400ms. But you can easily remedy this by keeping your guard rested in top and react to everything else. Similar to how you deal with raiders zone mix up. Also her zone cancel into bleed wether it hits you or you block it you can always swap your guard to block the bleed.

Some heros can even attack her out of the soft feint into bleed if you know it's coming. the only consistent way she's going to apply bleed other than fighting someone who literally loses their mind is if you get good at deflecting. every other method she can apply bleed with is blockable. When we say it's hard it's because we are comparing her bleed capability compared to PK. Where deflect, dodge attacks, and GB all guarantee a bleed stab. So it's less that it's impossible to do and more so that she has to work harder to apply bleed compared to PK.

If she's close enough to cancel her pounce/bite into a GB I have enough time to land a 500ms-600ms light. You don't have to worry about the guessing game with her feinting pounce up close. Where her pounce feint mix up game is strong is when she's got range on you. At that point she can bait you into a whiff and punish. But if you're a hero who has a lunge/dodge attack or one of the few that actually has range like bushi you can actually deal with those as well.

You're misunderstanding. Just because me and a few others do not have pitchforks out demanding for action right stat now doesn't mean we think she's fine. Or that she doesn't need nerfing. I have already stated more than once that I do think she needs some nerfs. Nerfing her only to rebuff her later is just redundant. They're already in the process of buffing the original cast. If you can't or don't want to wait that long then take a break. I'd rather hone my knowledge on the game and learn how to counter more consistently. I'm going to do a write up either tonight or tomorrow on what I think should be done with both heros to improve them. Which does include nerfing Shaman.

[RoosterIlluzion]

I voted no. To me over powered means non counterable, super easy to abuse, high damaging stuff.
Having both played as her and against her a decent bit now I am starting to see what counters her and what flaws she has.

She is overtuned. Which specifically refers to her numbers. the amount of damage she can potentially do, the amount of health/regen bite gives, and her recovery are all things that can be considered tilted a bit too far on the strong side. I personally think to balance her out the devs should look at 2 of these. maybe all 3. She's got a really good kit. She doesn't need to have the best damage and fastest recovery as well.

The things you stated make her op. Anything that gives any character an obvious advantage over others is op. Op means just what it stands for... over powered, even if it's in one or two things. It doesn't mean god mode, unbeatable.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

Shaman is OP.

There is no argument to be made against that. If don't think she is OP you are either trolling or just don't want your new favorite character nerfed.

[solho]

Its not OP, it only has a moveset light years away from the others class.. the fault is of the other class who dont improve their moveset and stay the past.. of course how are you going to compare my magnificent shaman with other class..




people need neurons and ubisoft need to fix this seasonal disaster. I predict the moveset of the next class, press the click to kill in an instant. since this game is going to a way to play without skill.

[Knight_Raime]

The things you stated make her op. Anything that gives any character an obvious advantage over others is op. Op means just what it stands for... over powered, even if it's in one or two things. It doesn't mean god mode, unbeatable.

Okay let me set this better. The discussion is an opinion. OP asked for an opinion. There is no factual right or wrong answer here.
Second. What I consider over powered isn't the same as what others may consider to be over powered. I realize that that is entirely on me.
But my post still stands. What I consider to be overpowered is not what she is. You can disagree with me.

Shaman is OP.

There is no argument to be made against that. If don't think she is OP you are either trolling or just don't want your new favorite character nerfed.

Sad. Seeing this reply is the final straw for me. You're not the same person anymore. You used to actually make decent arguments. Now you just post like every other frustrated person here. So i'm going to mute you. Hopefully you'll find fun with this game again.

[PDXGorechild]

Voted yes mostly because she's everything I want my main to be and i'm bitter about it. She's a rabid Berserker on steroids. Similar style, weapons, even looks fairly similar just even more savage.

Multi-directional chain combo's that can be soft feinted, dodging chops, chain starters, dodge cancels and high damage. Great, Berserker has all that.

But she also has significant bleed damage, three unblockables, a grab move that hard stuns people and she can cancel just about anything, including guard breaks.

Tell me why the f*ck would you bother playing Berserker with this lunatic on the roster? Just gotta wait a few days until she unlocks and i'm ditching my rank 30 main until he gets a LONG OVERDUE rework.

[Oupyz]

how can someone defend her opness its beyond me , just compare Shaman to the other classes without going into technical point of view , u will find that she is light years ahead of them

light years ahead of them ==== op in that sense

argument done .

now ubisoft my advice to you tone the **** out of her until you balance some of the original heroes to even have a chance vs that freak you call shaman

two easy fix for now

bleed shouldn't heal

her hp drops to shinobi level pre buff

and lets monitor the situation

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Its not OP, it only has a moveset light years away from the others class.. the fault is of the other class who dont improve their moveset and stay the past.. of course how are you going to compare my magnificent shaman with other class..




people need neurons and ubisoft need to fix this seasonal disaster. I predict the moveset of the next class, press the click to kill in an instant. since this game is going to a way to play without skill.

This guy is on the money. As a Conqueror main, I would just like to apologize to the entire community for not growing a new moveset out of thin air mid-game. I just don't have the neurons to pull it off, I'm a failure.

Okay let me set this better. The discussion is an opinion. OP asked for an opinion. There is no factual right or wrong answer here.
Second. What I consider over powered isn't the same as what others may consider to be over powered. I realize that that is entirely on me.
But my post still stands. What I consider to be overpowered is not what she is. You can disagree with me.

An opinion? They didn't ask if you liked the color yellow, they asked if shaman is OP. It can be somewhat fuzzy but it is objective, is this class imbalanced when compared to the rest of the classes in the game? You don't get to redefine what overpowered means to such an extent and instead use "overtuned" as if it changed the fact that you need to play a lot better than your opponent to even have a chance to win. What's even the point of calling it overtuned instead, it's admitting that things need to be toned down either way.

Furthermore I will add that it's absolutely crazy that there's been classes needing big time buffs since season 1 and they just can't seem to spare the effort but they can give this class so many options that do so much damage so quickly.