Is Shaman Op? (Poll) | Forums

[Knight_Raime]

@DukeInstinct

So yeah. I'm just going to cut through half of what you replied with because half of the post is not even debating about the class but rather personal jabs back and forth between us both.
I can and do apologize about my attitude. I still feel like my reasons for being as bothered by the way you post are valid. But I could have handled it much better. Anyway. Onto the actual discussion of the character.

I'm just going to link my thread I posted a day or 2 ago. In there I have my thoughts on both heros, who I like more, and how I currently feel like i'd like to see them changed. I'm still doing a bit more thinking on Aramusha since the more I play him the more I want to propose other things. But besides the point. The thread also points out what counters what from Shaman which is what you're looking for since I said she can be countered.

https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...6#post13106576

If you want to keep assuming things about me I can't stop you. I don't have some underlining agenda that I try to keep hidden. If you can even look back to the beginning since i've started posting on these forums you can see my various opinions on heros. Which ones I like and which ones I don't. I've always offered feedback on nearly all heros in the roster. At this point I would consider myself to be a Aramusha main. At the end of it all if you really want to understand what I am saying just hear this.

I think that Shaman's kit is what the devs should be aiming for in terms of design. What I mean by that is her kit has mix ups and it has flow. OG kits lack in one or both of these and are often reliant on one trick. I completely understand how painful it is to play an OG hero because they feel completely lacking compared to new hero design. That being said I don't think we should be laying into the developers about Shaman's design or demanding she gets brought down to OG hero level. We want to make the game better by having less defensive meta and more fleshed out kits. So taking her down to OG level design wise would be going backwards design wise in my opinion.

Anyway that is it. If you happen to reply to this with the same kind of attitude that you've been giving me all night i'll probably not respond.

[Knight_Raime]

Mmm yeah post a video where you fight lvl 3 shaman bot and you dont play shaman yourself knight raime. I want to see how you counter shaman lol.

I never stated that I don't play her. I just don't main her like was it was implied. I pretty much play most of the cast. I pretty much avoid heavies (though I miss playing conq) and I don't play kensei or valk. But that's really it. Playing against a bot wouldn't really prove anything. If you're curious on what counters her I linked my thread that says what counters what in a different reply.
Beyond that i'm not going to reply further to you.

[TheLastPandaa]

She is not OP. Only newbees that do know how to dodge say that.

#Ironic mode off#

Yes, that b**ch is op as f**ck

[Haplo_Bane]

Voted NO. I've always been more of a dodger,detector,keep your distance kind of player though. I find her kinda easy to dodge or defect about 70% of the time. Today I've been popping 'em like tic tacs. A good player is more of a struggle. But a good player with ANY character is a struggle. Being ganked by 3-4 players is NEVER pretty,it really doesn't matter who they pick. I think it's the "Once they got ya,they got ya" is the tough part.Similar to the Cent.And you gotta be clinicaly more agressive with her more than anyone else I've noticed. Which isn't my comfortable playstyle,but if you get her at least 1/3 health,go for broke.That's what I reckon. AND DON'T RUN. Huge leap distance. You won't make it.

[Justicator]

Good points Haplo_Bane, but do you have suggestions for players not really playing assassins, who therefore have no access to deflects? Or dodge attacks? And this is not an ironical question, I genuinely am asking if you have any suggestions for how to combat her low recovery, feints from all sides and abnormal dmg if playing someone who can't be as aggressive as her [ie. another assassin].

[Alustar.exe]

Honestly your best bet is picking her up, and watching what other players do in response. Then just repeat what they did

[Haplo_Bane]

Good point. Ummm, other than non-assassins like Valk,LB,Kensai and Conk that all have some form of dodge attack,she'd be a hell of a lot tougher. With Shugs I've been trying to time my embrace to her landing.It can work but is soooo risky. With the others I've just been super aggressive. But that only seems to work against average players.

[David_gorda]

Lol why would i want and Die and respawn like other players Will do when i play op shaman?

[Tobias96716]

After playing and playing against the Shaman...my answer is no...she is fast yes....but very counterable...i actually think she needs a little help....

[Haplo_Bane]

I don't know,David,I really don't know.