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[subdude1974]

who has lower HP than centurion? I will wait. Shugoki has slower regen than Centurion? You are insane. You obviously are either new to game or oblivious to speeds. And never said anything about one hitting anybody. If Berserker gets you on the ground his light then heavy takes almost 100% of Centurions HP and that is fact. I have a video saved where I was killed by a Berserker. I blocked 2 hits and go knocked to the ground as I was OOS. The hits I took while defenseless on the ground killed me. And in case you didn't realize it, you cant block if you knocked down on the ground. I noticed very little difference in between the 2 different helmets. I had both maxed in legendary so I use the one that is 4.4def/60ex rec(if I remember right). Think the other is 3.3 and 80. Timed them both out and the difference between the 2 was negligible so chose the higher defense. And I know that the deflect is an assassin trait. You do realize that Centurion is a hybrid right? That means that he has traits of more than 1 fighter. You know what 2 types of fighters he has traits from? Vanguard and ASSASSIN.

[CandleInTheDark]

Gotta say it's been like a breath of fresh air being able to use a character's entire kit in a 1v1 for a change. The difference between her and heroes like the Kensei, Orochi, Warden, Highlander, Conq and Valk (which are the characters I play) is like night and day. If the Aramusha ends up being a Highlander sized dud I think I'll become a filthy PK main and start mining salt

I caught a comment from Eric on reddit that might interest you. The first batch of reworks are planned to be kensei, conqueror and berserker. So while there is no hard date on that, two of yours will be among the first assuming no plans change.

Yeah peacekeepers are good for the saltmine lol, I also have warden, conq, valkyrie and nobushi at rep 7, I have berserker, shinobi and gladiator at various reps below that which I will likely try to rep up to 7 when dedicated servers come and am planning on repping up shaman when she drops as I didn't do gladiator from day one with the others I wanted at 7.

[Vakris_One]

which is exactly my point. he is forced to be a turtle but if you are not great at parries, then you have to 1 hit your opponent to death.

He's not forced to be a turtle as he has an opener and a lot more going for him in the offense department than some other characters such as Conq, Valk, Kensei, and Shugo. He's got some of the fastest heavies in the game and can soft feint his heavy into a GB, good players make this into a decent enough mixup game. His offense isn't spectacular but it's not the worst in the game either. If you're not great at parries then practice them till you are because maximising a punish is the Cent's bread and butter.

with the weakest heavies in the game, the number of times you have to get in a heavy to kill somebody is a number that is at least double the double of heavies it takes to kill centurion. the lawbringer shove spam takes half his energy before he is able to get away usually.

His heavies are among the fastest in the game so he has to pay for that speed in some way otherwise he'd be OP. Besides the true strength of his heavies is to maximise your damage from a wall splat or stun by charging them up and initiating his mini-cutscene of damage upon landing them.

As for Lawbringer; dodge either his shove or his follow up attack and get a free GB but watch out for his GB attempts after a shove. It's something all the heroes have to learn to deal with when facing a Lawbro.

and as far as punishes go, if your opponent gets put the ground, his best attack isnt better than anybody else's in the game. hell, berserker will pretty much 100% a centurion if centurion gets knocked to the ground and there is nothing that can be done about it.

The only way a Zerker can knock you down is if he GB's you when you're out of stamina or catch you with his revenge activation. The Centurion on the other hand has a specific punch that automatically knocks you on your a$$ and guarrantees his Eagle's Talon in addition to the Cent being built around draining the opponent's stamina and stun locking them. In addition to being pretty much guarranteed after a knockdown, the Cent's ground strike also has good range and tracking at the press of a button, no other hero has this so why should a Cent ground hit do as much damage as a Zerker top heavy? He'd be OP if it was.

he has no deflect, no uninteruptible, no hyper armor(even with lowest HP), not very mobile and if OOS, has the slowest recovery in the game. he is a blight to noobs for sure. but with his lack of offense, he is easily managed by better players. the only nerf that I agreed with was the wall spam. complete crap, as is any infinite combo. to me, the game has been butchered with supposed fixes but all they seemed to do was create more flaws. If I didn't play this with my son I wouldn't be playing it at all anymore.

Good players can do well with Centurion and he certainly doesn't take as much effort to pose a challenge as other less endowed characters in the roster.

He isn't an assassin so he gets no deflect. He has an uninterruptible/hyper armour in the form of his running leap, not that it's terribly useful and if I'm not mistaken on his Eagle's Talon as well. I'm surprised you don't know this as a Cent player yourself (I've never played Cent and I know his kit better it seems). He doesn't need passive hyper armour like the Shugo, can you imagine the Cent with passive hyper armour? Uninterruptible legion kick and/or uninterruptible GB... nuff said. He may have the slowest stamina recovery but that's because he has the highest stamina pool in the game. Before the nerf he could feint his heavies a ridiculous amount of times.

[subdude1974]

correct me if I ma wrong, but I did say I was OOS against the Berserker, he parried me, guard broke me and threw me to the ground. Killed me with a light heavy combo. Did about 90 damage. as far as an opener, what is his opener? LK? Light or heavy? GB? You have to get started with him to get to the mixup aspect. if he misses his first attack then it is guaranteed guard break city. His wall splat is his bread and butter but you have to get the guard break in order to do it. Then throw into the mix, his charged heavy doesn't stun heavies or stop uninteruptibles. in most situations but rather makes him eat a lot of damage from the opponents. I am not saying that he Is a trash player. But your opinion seems a little hypocritical to the way Centurion has been treated. I am not the best at parries so you say get good at them, but the answer to Centurion is to hurt him in every aspect in his arsenal instead of learning how to play him. That is my biggest problem.

[subdude1974]

Also, as far as stamina goes, his stamina drain is nothing compared to what other characters do. Raider has drained my stamina completely in one hit when it was near 100%. Centurion drains with LK and LR. Gotta hit you with what, 4-5 consecutive LK's or 3-4LR's for you to be out of stamina? I know Centurion pretty well. My defense is my weakness. Reflexes aren't what they used to be so parries are not the easiest against certain people. First fighting game I played since Tekken 2 came out. I really don't care about winning/losing. But I hate to lose to bul***it that is ridiculous. Raiders charge is complete bul***it. He can do it out of a parry and carry you all the way across a screen and throw you off a wall. Warlords is even worse. He can get you and turn you around and do it in the opposite direction. Can't tell you how many rounds I have lost like that while playing in basically the middle of the screen. Knock me off a wall? Fine. Good fight. Carry me from 60 feet and throw me to my death is stupid. But apparently those kinds of things are ok.

[Vakris_One]

I hate cheap ******** too, I don't like to fight against it or to play heroes that rely on it. Why do you think I main Kensei and Highlander?

The Raider and Warlord both have vicious punishes just like the Cent, it is what it is by now in this game. All of them can be countered in a 1v1 with good reactions and experience from fighting them. In a gank scenario it's always gg, so long and pray you're up against noobs who make a mistake. To me, the Cent looks like he is more balanced than previously but perhaps his bad matchups have become slightly worse and he's no longer in the higher tier.

All I know is good players can still dismantle me, but bad players now have less chances for the class to carry their lack of skill through to a win. That's the way it should be for all the heroes in my opinion. It's just a shame that not all of the heroes are balanced properly in those terms. So every time one of the more successful heroes gets a nerf down to a more balanced state it feels like he got crippled because of the remaining top tier heroes being left as is for the time being.

For the less endowed heroes we're already more used to making do with less and I guess that's why I don't see a big deal in Centurion being made a bit more difficult to play good with. He's still got more kit viability across a wider spectrum of matchups than certain heroes who have become used to struggling with difficult matchups since before Cent was even in the game.

[CandleInTheDark]

correct me if I ma wrong, but I did say I was OOS against the Berserker, he parried me, guard broke me and threw me to the ground.

You can;t fall over against the berserker without being out of stamina, so you very definitely were out of stamina but I see the confusion I think. You took a stamina hit being parried, he got the guardbreak, if the player presses forward and guardbreak from there he takes another chunk of stamina. You have to be careful about throwing heavies when you're not at or near top stamina around them but it still isn't knock down from charged heavy guaranteed charged punch.

[Vakris_One]

I caught a comment from Eric on reddit that might interest you. The first batch of reworks are planned to be kensei, conqueror and berserker. So while there is no hard date on that, two of yours will be among the first assuming no plans change.

Yeah peacekeepers are good for the saltmine lol, I also have warden, conq, valkyrie and nobushi at rep 7, I have berserker, shinobi and gladiator at various reps below that which I will likely try to rep up to 7 when dedicated servers come and am planning on repping up shaman when she drops as I didn't do gladiator from day one with the others I wanted at 7.

It'll be interesting to see what they've decided to give them. Honestly I'd be happy if the Kensei just gets his zone improved to be as fast as PK's. Anything more is a bonus. He doesn't need much, just needs at least one move that isn't an insta-punish so he can go on the offensive and force his mixup game into play against turtles. Instead of parry fishers and counter attackers completely negating him.

[subdude1974]

OOS = Out Of Stamina. As I stated, I was parried and GB and thrown to the ground. Berserker hit me with a light, heavy combo that killed me while doing 90 damage. To be able to take almost 100% of HP from a player because of a parry is totally f'ing stupid. .

[Devils-_-legacy]

who has lower HP than centurion? I will wait. Shugoki has slower regen than Centurion? You are insane. You obviously are either new to game or oblivious to speeds. And never said anything about one hitting anybody. If Berserker gets you on the ground his light then heavy takes almost 100% of Centurions HP and that is fact. I have a video saved where I was killed by a Berserker. I blocked 2 hits and go knocked to the ground as I was OOS. The hits I took while defenseless on the ground killed me. And in case you didn't realize it, you cant block if you knocked down on the ground. I noticed very little difference in between the 2 different helmets. I had both maxed in legendary so I use the one that is 4.4def/60ex rec(if I remember right). Think the other is 3.3 and 80. Timed them both out and the difference between the 2 was negligible so chose the higher defense. And I know that the deflect is an assassin trait. You do realize that Centurion is a hybrid right? That means that he has traits of more than 1 fighter. You know what 2 types of fighters he has traits from? Vanguard and ASSASSIN.

Shinobi has lower health i believe? And you know there's valks shoulder pin that's superior block not deflect she's a hybrid other then her no hybrid has any deflect type move I'm not new to the game really lol when your on the ground your defense less like everyone from a fully charged jab from cent lol you experience what everyone else does