Junior Member
How the shugokis light attack can be parried is game breaking. I’m a shugoki main and have been since day one when the game came out. I’ve been told that I’m the best shugoki that people have played against. I know I’m good with him, but as I play tournaments and go up against people that are really good like me it is completely game breaking how my light attack can be parried. For example I was playing against a rep 28 warden and he did nothing but stand in front of me and try to grab me. I reversed every single time but as soon as I go to hit him with my LIGHT ATTACK he parries it and then did nothing but shoulder back me to the ground and hit me over and over and over again until I died and that happened ALL 3 ROUNDS. FIX THIS NOW. It’s not only up against wardens, it’s when I’m up against anyone worth their salt.
If the number one for honor player who was a master with ever single class was in a duel playing as the shugoki even up against a intermediate player. So long as the intermediate player knows that the shugokis light attack was parriable the #1 for honor player is doomed to loose because not only is the shugoki slow, which is fine, but it has this BS weakness. NO OTHER CLASS HAS PARRIABLE LIGHT ATTACKS EXCEPT SHUGOKI!!!!
Senior Member
sry man but you are getting a little bit ridiculous. The only parriable lights in the game? Every light is parriable if you have enough practice (I don't claim that I did master that though but there are plenty of people you can parry almost anything). And btw there are many lights exactly as fast as Shugoki's. Not only Conqueror's and Highlander's but also single light attacks like Berserker's, Warlord's, Nobushi's top heavy and for instance orochi's and warden sight lights. They are slow yes, and generally easily parried. If you wanna change that you might also consider changing it for them. But in generel I think I need to question why you were letting yourself get parried to begin with. Shugoki is a monstertrader and since all that warden did was trying to guardbreak you why didn't intercept with your light and then headbutt his ***? Sounds to me you went aggressive against a turtle and got parried due to you being impatient.
Turtle meta is an ugly frustrating ***** I give you that and Shugoki has no real tools to break a turtle. However he is still pretty good at turtling himself (especially with his superior block) and going for trades, getting the opponent back to distance and deminish his stamina. If you are really that high level as you claim you are you should know that on high level play the Shugoki is still a beast due to his hyper armor and the ability to tank through a hit and free guardbreak an opponent to either throw him into a wall for a free bearhug or a nice cannon ball shot. Hell just watch some players like SytherPK how they utilize their hyperarmor or their Shugoki in general.
The key ability for the Shugoki is to read an opponent. Maybe that is something you need to work on or maybe yours was a bit off in that mentioned game, who knows. Anyhow your cryout is totally off in terms of facts and in my opinion uncalled for. The lights are slow and parriable yes, but they can be better utilized than most other light attacks in the game since you can really use them to interrupt whatever is thrown at you. If you do this correct you will be the frustrating experience for any opponent.
And just to clarify that yes, every hero of the basic roster needs a rework and additional moves, so does Shugoki however he is not weak atm he can be very powerful.
I wouldn't even touch his lights on a rework. I would suggest to give him some additional moves to deal with turtles and to maybe gain a proper out of stamina punish. Also his transition into demon's embrace from a heavy is very underused since by itself it is a risky move and can only be done on heavy startup. A little later than that would help. I think it was also possible some time ago to softfeint into the embrace from a zone attack. Now it is not (only if you hard cancel the second swing). Of course his Charge of the Oni could be tweaked as well so that it is useful in fights (some suggested as an OOS opponent punishment). Also Shugoki can have some troubles with mobs due to his slow recoveries just like highlander. But unlike him Shugoki can try to break free with a nice unblockable haymaker to clear the surrounding. Although as of now due to revenge being totally bugged since the last two patches with fixes in sight so far you can forget about that in most cases too (but that also applies to any other hero as well)
