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[Rahnzan]

I didnt make a personal attack, I gave my opinion and thoroughly stated why.

Opinion: I think the idea is not just awful, but ****ing awful.

Why: You're suggesting removing the Warden's strongest attack; a move that kills out top feints, lets him bait for damage and can reverse a losing fight.
It's a light attack that hits as strong as a Top Heavy. The fact that you think Highlander's is better because he can use it in all directions tells me you know close to nothing about mid or high tier Warden gameplay. Anyone past rep 10 knows you dont perform a leap attack or open a top attack of any kind against a good Warden. His crush has more damage, and a guaranteed follow up into his most flexible move while HL gets half a bar that he can follow up with a defendable light, defendable heavy, or he can waste his time sliding into Offensive while his opponent makes distance and prepares to dodge. Warden counter crushes a pounce, talon or a stunning tap? Thats it. Thats the first and last time your opponent uses that move.

You also want to remove his most flexible attack, when Raider has stunning tap, Kensei has his built in feints, PK and Cent can soft feint, and every second character has a melee move that can either be canceled or is too good to bother canceling, you want to remove the slowest, most staright forward melee ability not found on a heavy in the game? Block shove, bash mix up, jab, deflect grab, the entire ball of nonsense that comprise the "please buff my broken ***" sisters, Valkrie and Nobushi because players cant try something outside of their win or die combos and you basically want to gut Warden and give him nothing but combos to work with? Guy, he has combos.

Let me rephrase this to make my point even clearer; you want to turn the Warden into a Light Spamming Peacekeeper, because that's all he'll be able to do after your changes. You want to proxy-nerf the conqueror because his infinite light cant be feinted and doesnt have a n unlockable every third hit. You want to proxy-nerf pk because despite all the hate, LL is really all she has going for her.

Also? "Versatile Slasher?" The reason you've even got that mental image is because of counter crush and shoulder bash. How do you propose he'll be versatile when he can only pull combos that wont make it two moves in? How do you propose he'll be a slasher when you trade 2 of his slashes for a thrust?

Bad characters are considered bad because they dont have options and responses. If I know you're going to evade, I should evade punish. His Vortex is already gone because of all the hit and miss recovery they've slapped on all of his moves, and nearly every character has their own shoulder bash drop into 8 different moves combo, why kill the Warden's?

You thought it'd be broken giving him an unfeintable, uncancelable, parriable, neon orange Light attack that can only come out after a heavy, which will be the only "trick move" a Warden will have left? You dont think the entire community would have a handle on that in 5 minutes?

But you know whats absolutely the worst thing about your idea?

It's the Gladiator's toe stab with less versatility.

[Gemoroda]

I am teying so hard to keeep miself a chill.

"The fact that you think Highlander's is better because he can use it in all directions tells me you know close to nothing about mid or high tier Warden gameplay"

How dare you say this when you see im so peacefull. And you say you dont make personal attacks. You have no ideea since when i play this game what characters do i play whos my fav whos the highest level or how good i am at the game. I think you know nothink about it 2 because except for cc wich is useless because no one will attack warden from top except if he just baught the game and the fortex is ****ing useless. Im at the point where whenever someone sees the sb charge they roll back and THATS A PUNISH.warden is slow except for the top light and zone. He s best BEST move ingame is kiterally heavy cancel grab.... so dont tell me i have no ideea of how good warden is. Warden sucks because his ONLY COMBO is the vortex and that **** is easily spammed. Sb double light is all warden does and repeat.

Chill the **** out and think because even tho its a useles thread yes. Making the change i staded above litelally doesntnneed anything else. Butbagain untill you see with youre own eyes you cant belive because youre stuck in
"Why do you want to remove wardens bigest move cc" ITS USELES SINCE NO ONE ATTACKS FROM ABOVE. THATS WHY HIGHLANDERS IS BETTER.*
"WHY YOU WANT TO REMOVE WARDENS SB..." BECAUSE ITS USELESS. EVERY GOOD PLAYER WILL ROLL FROM THE WARDEN OR NOT ATTACK FROM ABOVE. Gg warden grounded

[ShonM93]

I am teying so hard to keeep miself a chill.

"The fact that you think Highlander's is better because he can use it in all directions tells me you know close to nothing about mid or high tier Warden gameplay"

How dare you say this when you see im so peacefull. And you say you dont make personal attacks. You have no ideea since when i play this game what characters do i play whos my fav whos the highest level or how good i am at the game. I think you know nothink about it 2 because except for cc wich is useless because no one will attack warden from top except if he just baught the game and the fortex is ****ing useless. Im at the point where whenever someone sees the sb charge they roll back and THATS A PUNISH.warden is slow except for the top light and zone. He s best BEST move ingame is kiterally heavy cancel grab.... so dont tell me i have no ideea of how good warden is. Warden sucks because his ONLY COMBO is the vortex and that **** is easily spammed. Sb double light is all warden does and repeat.

Chill the **** out and think because even tho its a useles thread yes. Making the change i staded above litelally doesntnneed anything else. Butbagain untill you see with youre own eyes you cant belive because youre stuck in
"Why do you want to remove wardens bigest move cc" ITS USELES SINCE NO ONE ATTACKS FROM ABOVE. THATS WHY HIGHLANDERS IS BETTER.*
"WHY YOU WANT TO REMOVE WARDENS SB..." BECAUSE ITS USELESS. EVERY GOOD PLAYER WILL ROLL FROM THE WARDEN OR NOT ATTACK FROM ABOVE. Gg warden grounded

Oh boy, understanding what you want to say is really hard (here's your personal attack: learn f*ckin' english). Yes your thread is useless and you wasting everyone's time. Not because warden can't be changed , but because your idea.. s*cks. And your attitude sucks too, you take every counter-argument as a personal attack (however until now i'm the only one who attacked you personally (with this post)) and you disvalidate every argument with: "you can't imagine it" or "highlander's better" (except: with even worse english (personal attack #2)). You ask everyone to think about it when you don't even give a thought about the counter-arguments just starts to yell: "PERSONAL ATTACK" (with an even sh*ttier english than mine (personal attack #3)).

Have I done enough "flaming" so this thread will be closed? Check out in the next episode of: "What have i became because of this game!?"!

[Gemoroda]

Oh boy, understanding what you want to say is really hard (here's your personal attack: learn f*ckin' english). Yes your thread is useless and you wasting everyone's time. Not because warden can't be changed , but because your idea.. s*cks. And your attitude sucks too, you take every counter-argument as a personal attack (however until now i'm the only one who attacked you personally (with this post)) and you disvalidate every argument with: "you can't imagine it" or "highlander's better" (except: with even worse english (personal attack #2)). You ask everyone to think about it when you don't even give a thought about the counter-arguments just starts to yell: "PERSONAL ATTACK" (with an even sh*ttier english than mine (personal attack #3)).

Have I done enough "flaming" so this thread will be closed? Check out in the next episode of: "What have i became because of this game!?"!

I want to kill myself... lets start with the language. I know my writing is bad. What do you want me to do? Speak to you in romanian? I speak that perfectly. Picking on someones writing os just lame since there are so many reasons for bad spelling. ESPECIALLY FOR A FOREIGHNER... that aside. I want to know why my ideea sucks. Like a. b. c. I dont think ive ever told anyone "your ideea sucks" witout an explaning why.

"I think that sounds ****ing awful.

Countercrush is one of the best moves in the game for reversing a fight, and Shoulderbash is the only god damn thing a Warden can use after a side dodge, nevermind that it flows into double lights, flows out of countercrush, and happens to be the only tool a Warden has to open up defense meta. You want to trade that for a light poke and another move you can simulate with side heavy feint top light?"

So my ideea sucks because (ofc i wonder what the f a rework means to someone) i want to change 2 basic moves for a versatile move. (Like i dont know how a fin warden works... and what the first dude (above) said, its one thing to feint a heavy into a top light (every ****ing one expects that...... sides are to slow unless its confirmed) and another to cancel a move heavy into a light. (Why ppl cant imagine and i keep saying that? Because aparently a move that can he achieved only if someone attacks from above its may more ok than anything... honestly i havent seen someone attacking a warden from top above lvl 5...)

"And that's why you don't do character design. The game is already a damn staring contest, this would just make it even worse. And an other thing: warden has a well rounded and unique design (He was there before HL hopped into the band wagon with his crushingcounter). If you want to play an infinite combo character play conq or zerker." Yea. The first sentence was meant as a compliment. Not an attack. My bad. So. Yes. Wardens cc is better cus it activates only on top. And has highdamage. (P.S. useless if no one attacks from above) HL cc is super bad because it activates on every direction. (I guess ppl can say ill attack a highlander in the midle because T R and L can be countered with a cc). And no dude. The infinite combo isnt what i was aiming for... but anyway lets move on.

"Why: You're suggesting removing the Warden's strongest attack; a move that kills out top feints, lets him bait for damage and can reverse a losing fight."
Because a cancel into light is 10x better than that move.

Overall ppl dont think because they dont want to. Ive heard its awful but no explenation to why its awful and to me thats just stupidity.

Imagine you come to me and say that some sort of specific dance is awesome and ill tell you it sucks with no explenation. Ofc why not. Why think further. Oh wait. Because ppl dont have an explenation. An oppinion is followed by an explenation....

And thats why i consider thèm attack. Because basicaly theyre telling me it sucks for no reasons just because they know how warden os now.

At least if someone told me something like "no. Pk allready spams lights and its to hard to deal with it so no." And before you say something stupid like someone above no. Pk lifhtspamfeints arent the samething as what i said.

Anyway think before speaking bro.

Ps mate. "
Yes your thread is useless and you wasting everyone's time."
If you thinknits a waste of time (gg sherlok its written in the threads title) then why did you stop here?

"but because your idea.. s*cks.*" see no argument.

"and you disvalidate every argument with: "you can't imagine it" or "highlander's better" again no arguments was given.

"Have I done enough "flaming" so this thread will be closed? Check out in the next episode of: "What have i became because of this game!?"!"

No dude. All youve done is ensure that when i say this comunity sucks im 100% acurate.

And as a final thing, real all the above and see that when i call you a morron i gave an explenation why. Not because youre spelling is bad. But because the brain is the same size as a grain of sand.

[ShonM93]

I want to kill myself... lets start with the language. I know my writing is bad. What do you want me to do? Speak to you in romanian? I speak that perfectly. Picking on someones writing os just lame since there are so many reasons for bad spelling. ESPECIALLY FOR A FOREIGHNER... that aside. I want to know why my ideea sucks. Like a. b. c. I dont think ive ever told anyone "your ideea sucks" witout an explaning why.

Do it. No, don't speak to me in romanian, i don't understand it until i get drunk. I'm a foreigner too. (I'm hungarian, i'm sure this will give you a tad bit more reason to hate, but i must admit i don't get why our ppl hates each other so much). I gave you that little personal attack you have been crying for and for my greatest surprise it did make your spelling better, so worth it.

"Why: You're suggesting removing the Warden's strongest attack; a move that kills out top feints, lets him bait for damage and can reverse a losing fight."
Because a cancel into light is 10x better than that move.

I want reasoning too: why is it 10x better? Is it scientific? Or you just throwing random stuff to make yourself look more intellectual?

Anyway think before speaking bro.

Ps mate.

No dude.

I'm neither of that for you.

"and you disvalidate every argument with: "you can't imagine it" or "highlander's better" again no arguments was given.

There was arguments like:

Countercrush is one of the best moves in the game for reversing a fight, and Shoulderbash is the only god damn thing a Warden can use after a side dodge, nevermind that it flows into double lights, flows out of countercrush, and happens to be the only tool a Warden has to open up defense meta.

Removing the Crushing counter I don't agree with either, its a vital part of the moveset. Highlanders may be better, but not enough reason to remove it.

And there were pretty good arguments in Rahnzan post on the top of the second page. (I'm not goin' to quote everything out it's tedious and boring) And look at you, trying to invalidate what i said again with BS. Nice.

And as a final thing, real all the above and see that when i call you a morron i gave an explenation why. Not because youre spelling is bad. But because the brain is the same size as a grain of sand.

From you, that's can only be taken as a compliment, so thank you, I appreciate that.

[Gemoroda]

Originally Posted by*Gemoroda*Go to original post

"Why: You're suggesting removing the Warden's strongest attack; a move that kills out top feints, lets him bait for damage and can reverse a losing fight."
Because a cancel into light is 10x better than that move.

I want reasoning too: why is it 10x better? Is it scientific? Or you just throwing random stuff to make yourself look more intellectual?

Im only gonna reply to this because i like how you tried so hard to do what i did. And almost went well. At leastv you got the idea down... anyway

Its not science... more like common sense... (a good ex for the argument of ppl not thinking)
Whats better? A move that can be avoided by not attacking from above (pretty much everyone)? Or a move that pk easy proved to be far superiir to any other, doesnt require an action from the enemy to do it can hit more than once has a feint built in and witouth the downside of pressing the cancel button?...

[NinjaRonin85]

Pk is an assassin with a short sword and dagger that's why she can soft faint heavy to light attacks I don't see how that would fit in with warden as he has a long sword and heavy armour.

Maybe if it was an unblockable heavy attack but it will never come out as fast as any pk attacks if you like the moves pk has just use pk.

[Gemoroda]

This is so funny. From what ive heard on the warriors den, the new samurai character is allmost as what i said here for the warden. I want to see them in theyre full splendor, so i know this for sure )

[Zombie.Mantis]

warden would be trash if you used your suggestions. sorry.

[Gemoroda]

warden would be trash if you used your suggestions. sorry.

Funny you should mention that. In a more complex way, what i said is in the game. Its called ARAMUSHA. Thanx ubisoft! ��
So next time opl dont tell others theyr ideea sucks witouth an explenation. **** like this might happen and...

Anyway. Have funn playing my version of the reworked warden