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[Tundra 793]

Bad argument.

I believe my argument is pretty solid. I'll elaborate;

You don't get 15 kills in even a dominion match playing "carefully."

As I mentioned earlier, getting 15 kills credited to you, does not mean you have bested 15 people in combat, or beaten several 1vX engagements. It just means you had done enough damage to a player to get credit for a kill. Something Shinobis can do relatively easily due to their range and speed.

I've gotten 10+ multiple times, but with a character that wasn't under powered or nerfed or buffed.

I've seen Kensei's and Zerkers and Raider all get more than 10 kills, even at their weakest. A good player can make a bad character great.

It's a little odd that shinobi was claimed to be "****ty and needed a buff" by most players, yer here he comes after buff and he's all over the field, dancing and flipping, killing people like nothing.

Would it not be a reasonable assumption, that because the Shinobi was given a high profile buff, more attention is on him these days? People wanting to try him out now that he's "better", people reacting to the idea that he now may be OP?
On top of the simple fact that of course the character simply is better than before.

This is still a far cry from being OP.

It's definitely worth a look over the next few weeks to see some stats. I've gone up against level 2 shinobi bots and I'll tell you, I've never lost to a shinobi bot since they released. Now, it's different.

It's meant to be different, but more time is needed to find out exactly how much the buff affected him. Just like more time is needed to see how the Centurion's nerfs affected him.

[SoulEavens]

Hello! I have played quite a few Heroes, Berserker is my secondary Hero, and i am also moonlightning as a Shinobi every now and then. Personally i don't have much of a Problem with them, but you need to be very Careful whil Fighting them. They can dish out a LOT of hurt, but they still die as easily as Flys. If a Shinobi gets ganked, cought in a 4v4 Cluster, or cought anywhere where he can't run away he is dead in seconds. His buffed Health now actually makes him far more playable since you have slightly more room for Mistakes.

His ranged Attacks are only strong in a Gank, if the enemy doesn't see him/or is charging at him, while the Shino charges up otherwise you can easily counterguarbreak or parry the range Attack and throw him to the Ground.

What i see a lot of shinobis do is baiting. They bait you to Attack, dodge around and then they Spam lights. The Trick is not to get baited by them, if you go in and Attack hasty because you want that kill they will play you like a Fiddle.

As a fellow (well sometimes) Berserker i have the following Advice for you: Get close but for Gods sake, don't do the running Attack, once your close many shinobis will try to Dodge out of range which means you can get a free GB. Try to Bait him with Feints, and try to get a Single light in, from there you can get your combos in. If does Light Spamming IMMMEDIATLY stop Attacking, his Lights will always be faster than yours and will interrupt you, even hyperarmor doesn't help much, since the second light comes so quick and interrupts you. Block the Lights and if you can: Parry, then go on to the Punish. Also if they do ther Jump Attack, do your doge Attack.

Most importend thing again: Don't be baited into Attacking recklessly, when they will just dodge away and get a free punish.

[watsonclan335u]

Wtf We are right back where we were, ffs there is no excuse for this trash. Fix one tumor and grow a new cancer....this character was a screw up from the jump and now a massive boost back to where it was again? Who dreams this tripe up? Do you need at least one bandwagon spam character for all these jerks to hop on? I can’t believe what’s going on here, he was in a good place in the right hands now he’s unstoppable in theirs and downright formidable in any morons hands. Life’s lessons are repeated until learned and this is getting old.

[Charmzzz]

Wtf We are right back where we were, ffs there is no excuse for this trash. Fix one tumor and grow a new cancer....this character was a screw up from the jump and now a massive boost back to where it was again? Who dreams this tripe up? Do you need at least one bandwagon spam character for all these jerks to hop on? I can’t believe what’s going on here, he was in a good place in the right hands now he’s unstoppable in theirs and downright formidable in any morons hands. Life’s lessons are repeated until learned and this is getting old.

Signed. Shin got definitely overbuffed imo, played some Matches against good ones and if they decide that they don't want to fight you - no chance to get them. And that is a problem in Dominion, if there is 2 Shin in the other team they will always outnumber you. Always. Because nobody can do the super-sprint and switch locations so fast. Plus the Sickle Rain is, together with Demon Embrace and Cut-Scene-Cent, the best gank ability in the game. Shin gets you in Sickle Rain with a Mate nearby? Congrats, you die because no hit will break the Cut-Scene... GG Ubi...

[Tobias96716]

Shinobi desperately needed a buff, it was VERY high risk and no real reward, Now its High risk High reward like it should be. Before the buff you miss a kick you would be completely screwed with no stam and no way to defend yourself. Now Shinobi can actually defend themselves so they are not 1 or 2 shot. They are still very predictable and can be punished if they screw up. It just seems like people got used to a Shinobi running out of stam in the first volley of attacks and ripping them in 2 or 3 hits. Now that the Shinobi can actually attack and get away without being completely screwed people cant handle it and are calling for nerfs already.

[Tyler-Durdin]

Practice against them instead of going off and crying.
Calling for nerfs and buffs only creates more havoc and more whiners.
Learn to expect that there are players who have better skills than you.
Only people here to blame are the people who complained so hard about certain characters and now they have changed same story in a different body, perhaps said people should shut their holes and enjoy what the devs envisioned instead of constant complaints.
Morale to the story community input is seldom correct input.

[Antonioj26]

I don't give a ****. This post was about shinobi getting 15 kills in a game, and if he's the weakest character, he shouldn't out score any other, right? That's not even average for most players. You brag about being some superstar, elite player but won't back it up. Like I said, stfu and sit down. You won't even post a video doing 15 kills with shinobi cause you can't.

Lol you are unreasonably upset, friend. Bmason said he has screenshots of him getting 18-0 with zerk, who is widely considered one of the worst heroes in the game getting, 15-3 is not difficult. So do you want me to do the video with shinobi then? I'm willing to back it up and by the way going 15-3 doesn't make someone an elite player, just be reasonable since I have time constraints. Hell give me 3 of the characters you think are the weakest on the list I gave and I'll do a video of each.

[Antonioj26]

I've gone up against level 2 shinobi bots and I'll tell you, I've never lost to a shinobi bot since they released. Now, it's different.

Oh, now I see why you thinking getting 15-3 is so difficult. Lol

[Klingentaenz3r]

Signed. Shin got definitely overbuffed imo, played some Matches against good ones and if they decide that they don't want to fight you - no chance to get them. And that is a problem in Dominion, if there is 2 Shin in the other team they will always outnumber you. Always. Because nobody can do the super-sprint and switch locations so fast. Plus the Sickle Rain is, together with Demon Embrace and Cut-Scene-Cent, the best gank ability in the game. Shin gets you in Sickle Rain with a Mate nearby? Congrats, you die because no hit will break the Cut-Scene... GG Ubi...

Amen. Not only that it leads you into a cut scene and deals quite a lot of damage you also get a lot of stamina damage. But this all is in my opinion entirely separated from the buff a general issue of his kit. The buff only makes him less squishy and gives him more stamina which in return encourages more people to try him again.
So now of course it is more likely to see him more often and even more than once in a team.

Shinobis acting together in a map or a place with a lot of space is indeed a fearsome ganking ability. The game offers just a little too less catching abilities for the immens amount of distance these guys can work with. Some characters can be really helpless facing that. Guess you can only pray for now that some Highlanders are on your team as well (since they are actually pretty good at catching them).

I am hoping still hoping that it works out not as bad as I could imagine (although from my experience thus far it was always very frustrating and annoying to have a shinobi as a second opponent. Sometimes even more than Cent)

[SenBotsu893]

the hell is this threat? so if i get a a score of about 15-1 in a dominion my character is op? wow damn i didnt knew kensei and Highlander were that op.
quick we need to nerf those insanely op characters because they manage to get such a high K/D/A.

seriously if you could deal with shinobi before you can do it now. you need like 1 more attack on him but that is clearly enough to make him borderline op. geez

also sickle rain does get interrupted by friendly hits because it got the same treatment as the cent snare (thank god for that). Unlike stampede charge or Lawbringers impaling charge wich are not interrupted by his allies hitting around like maniacs