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[Antonioj26]

Yes. You said you could go at least 15-3 with every character. Let's see.

I'll do it with one, im not going to make 16 videos and I also said I could do it with any character I have at least a reps level worth. I'll let you pick since you seem to think it's so difficult to score 15-3. I play as warden, conqueror, I could figure out pk, lawbringer, raider, warlord, Valkyrie, kensei, shugo, and shinobi.

[brashtralas]

Personally, I thought the shinobi was balanced with the capability to be overpowered before the buff. I’ve fought several shinobi that used their extreme mobility to choose when to fight.

I couldn’t catch them, engage in any way, unless they wanted me to. It is the most frustrating fight in the game. The very good ones know when to use ranged attacks, and when not to.

He’s a high risk, high reward character, but I’d almost say his reward was greater than risk before the buff.

It could just be that I’m weakest against him personally, but I’d say his design and move set are inherently greater due to mobility and range.

[RoosterIlluzion]

Nah big shot. Every ****ing character. If not, you need to stfu and sit down.

[Antonioj26]

Nah big shot. Every ****ing character. If not, you need to stfu and sit down.

lol I get one maybe two hours a day during the week to play games, I'm not going to waste an entire weeks worth to prove a point to some scrub who thinks 15-3 is difficult to do. I gave you 10 characters who I can do it with and I'm letting you pick whichever one you think the weakest is. That's kinda the whole point of the post was that scoring 15-3 doesn't make a character overpowered so theoretically if I can do it with the weakest I should be able to do it with everyone else don't ya think?

[Tundra 793]

I'm gonna side with Antonio here. It doesn't even have to come down to skill, it's just luck. Anyone can get 15-3 with any class if they're lucky, on a good day.

Keep in mind, 15-3 does not mean you won three 4v1s or actually bested the enemy team 15 times, just means you got some good hits in. This is profoundly easier for Shinobi's, they just gotta land a few ranged hits and they'll still get the credit for a kill.
Like Antonio says, anyone can manage this. I could grab my level 7 something Shinobi and manage it, or my Rep 19 Berserker and do it. All I gotta do get a score like that is not die, and poke people with lights.
I have a screenshot somewhere from when I first started out and went 13-0 with a level 10 Berserker.

There's nothing unusual about a 15-3 score, even from a now buffed Shinobi.

[Antonioj26]

I'm gonna side with Antonio here. It doesn't even have to come down to skill, it's just luck. Anyone can get 15-3 with any class if they're lucky, on a good day.

Keep in mind, 15-3 does not mean you won three 4v1s or actually bested the enemy team 15 times, just means you got some good hits in. This is profoundly easier for Shinobi's, they just gotta land a few ranged hits and they'll still get the credit for a kill.
Like Antonio says, anyone can manage this. I could grab my level 7 something Shinobi and manage it, or my Rep 19 Berserker and do it. All I gotta do get a score like that is not die, and poke people with lights.
I have a screenshot somewhere from when I first started out and went 13-0 with a level 10 Berserker.

There's nothing unusual about a 15-3 score, even from a now buffed Shinobi.

It really is a terrible argument, honestly whoever comes to the conclusion that 15-3 in one match makes a character overpowered please just do me one favor. Picture whoever you think the weakest character in the game is, now tell me do you think there was not 1 time ever that specific character has gone 15-3 in a single game? If you think they haven't you are delusional.

[bmason1000]

It really is a terrible argument, honestly whoever comes to the conclusion that 15-3 in one match makes a character overpowered please just do me one favor. Picture whoever you think the weakest character in the game is, now tell me do you think there was not 1 time ever that specific character has gone 15-3 in a single game? If you think they haven't you are delusional.

Yyyep. I've got screen shots of scoreboards where i went 20+ and 3, something like 18 - 0 with berserker and i don't think anyone's shouting about how OP zerk is.

See, i took the screenshot because that's not a common outcome and it was exciting for me. Because berserker isn't overpowered and yet it still happened.

[RoosterIlluzion]

I don't give a ****. This post was about shinobi getting 15 kills in a game, and if he's the weakest character, he shouldn't out score any other, right? That's not even average for most players. You brag about being some superstar, elite player but won't back it up. Like I said, stfu and sit down. You won't even post a video doing 15 kills with shinobi cause you can't.

[Tundra 793]

I don't give a ****. This post was about shinobi getting 15 kills in a game, and if he's the weakest character, he shouldn't out score any other, right? That's not even average for most players. You brag about being some superstar, elite player but won't back it up. Like I said, stfu and sit down. You won't even post a video doing 15 kills with shinobi cause you can't.

Well, someone's jimmies sure are rustled.

So lets everybody just calm the **** down, and have a calm, rational conversation, yes? Glad we agree.

The crux of the argument here, is that 1 shinobi, in 1 game, is not in any meaningful way indicative of overall balance.
Tommy's concerns are valid, but we need way more information from a lot of more matches to determine whether or not the Shinobi got overbuffed.

Furthermore, getting 15 kills, and less than 10 deaths is not uncommon, or abnormal. Like i said before, getting stats like that might have nothing to do with ones personal skill level, more often than not it's just luck, or due to a particular cautious playstyle.

[RoosterIlluzion]

Bad argument. You don't get 15 kills in even a dominion match playing "carefully." Against **** players, maybe. I've gotten 10+ multiple times, but with a character that wasn't under powered or nerfed or buffed. Consistent. It's a little odd that shinobi was claimed to be "****ty and needed a buff" by most players, yer here he comes after buff and he's all over the field, dancing and flipping, killing people like nothing. It's definitely worth a look over the next few weeks to see some stats. I've gone up against level 2 shinobi bots and I'll tell you, I've never lost to a shinobi bot since they released. Now, it's different.