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[scipion2002]

(I tryed to put this like 4 times god) Maybe for some people is madness of buffing pk but I got A lot of excuses and facts for why pk needs buf so first of all is her heavys... cmon she should be fast not a shugoki her heavys are the slowest of all assassins , at least give her enough speed on the heavy to get a guaranteed heavy when you do a gb heavy, another thing is the dodges because some dodges just still hit me and thats pretty dumb, next is one of that i dont really care but it stresses me out because im not like those pks that spams lights i USE them like 2 times and no more (some people say that I spam them just when i used it once) those lights.. people got so used to it that everytime i randomly throw a light they just parry or block it like nothing but is not that big of a deal tho, nexts is the super deflect... wow worst deflect i ever see in my life ok first it doest have superarmor, slow af, you cant parry later than doing the deflect and thats not cool cuz if i deflect a zerk and he does a superarmor heavy is going to hit me yes or yes(plus that because your a pk you almost alwalls get 3 hit killed and I have defence all the way up), cant do nothing later than you do the deflect because if you try to deflect zone is not gonna work because they can still block it like nothing so they dont get recovery for that and when you try to deflect soft feint heavy gb the peacekeeper is going to get pushed out like if they had recovery for doing a light plus they get a free gb and lastly his feats, i execute like 3 people and still dont get the 2nd feat some lawbringers already have the 3rd feat for killing 5 and thats not fair cuz pk is not good for antiganking so she needs her feats and i think thats about it i hope i dont get any hate messages xD and hope to ubisoft to watch this have a good day (I edited this cuz i just remembered that pk doesnt get a free heavy later than a gb pk needs that to get easier executions because they all die for bleeding im just saying but dont take this like a something to get buffed is just an idea and if pk gets just one of all this things I said I will be sooo happy and if ot doesnt at least tell me why now i can say have a good day ;P)

[bmason1000]

So pk should gain renown faster. Does this include other assassins or just pk? Her heavies should be faster because other assassins have faster heavies. So when her heavies are buffed to be faster than glad should glad's be buffed afterward?

[scipion2002]

So pk should gain renown faster. Does this include other assassins or just pk? Her heavies should be faster because other assassins have faster heavies. So when her heavies are buffed to be faster than glad should glad's be buffed afterward?

Read it again i edited it but about the renown, yeah the assassins or heros that are harder to get at least the 2 feat should get faster a bit

[Antonioj26]

her heavies are not the slowest, shinobis and zerks are slower while Orochis and gladiators are faster. With warlord nerfed she's now the tied with glad for being the best 1v1 and she's one of the top picks for 4s. She absolutely does not need a buff, a rework maybe but not an outright buff. I'll agree that her deflect is bad but if you can deflect then you can parry and that has far better results outside of the few rare situations or match ups.

Also for the love of god, break up your posts in paragraphs if your going to write a novel. I'll be honest I didn't read past your complaints about deflect, but if your first few sentences were any indication of the rest of the post then I'm sure I'm not missing anything.

[scipion2002]

her heavies are not the slowest, shinobis and zerks are slower while Orochis and gladiators are faster. With warlord nerfed she's now the tied with glad for being the best 1v1 and she's one of the top picks for 4s. She absolutely does not need a buff, a rework maybe but not an outright buff. I'll agree that her deflect is bad but if you can deflect then you can parry and that has far better results outside of the few rare situations or match ups.

Also for the love of god, break up your posts in paragraphs if your going to write a novel. I'll be honest I didn't read past your complaints about deflect, but if your first few sentences were any indication of the rest of the post then I'm sure I'm not missing anything.

First of all yeah.. sorry for putting in everything is just that i dont have any time to make this things an about that she is not the slowest then tell me why the heavy of the shinobi and the zerk get a guaranteed heavy later than a gb and on the 1v1s i almost never see pks buuut i know that her best is at 1v1s

On the 4v4s I almost never see a pk even when I see them I get exited because they must be good for using her these days but they just spam lights like every other pk

[Antonioj26]

First of all yeah.. sorry for putting in everything is just that i dont have any time to make this things an about that she is not the slowest then tell me why the heavy of the shinobi and the zerk get a guaranteed heavy later than a gb and on the 1v1s i almost never see pks buuut i know that her best is at 1v1s

On the 4v4s I almost never see a pk even when I see them I get exited because they must be good for using her these days but they just spam lights like every other pk

Thats not how GB works, just because she cant land a heavy after it doesnt mean its slower than everyone elses just that Her window for GB doesn't last as long. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Kgc/edit#gid=0

here shows the list of damage and speed. Of course they just Spam lights its highly effective, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. I doubt PK is low in terms of being a popular or lower than the rest of the cast, I'm willing to bet your confirmation bias is stopping you from noticing how frequently shes being picked. Even if she was an unpopular pick it doesnt reduce her effectiveness, Conqueror was an unpopular pick because of his boring playstyle but it didn't stop him from being one of the top 3 characters.

[Charmzzz]

Thats not how GB works, just because she cant land a heavy after it doesnt mean its slower than everyone elses just that Her window for GB doesn't last as long. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Kgc/edit#gid=0

here shows the list of damage and speed. Of course they just Spam lights its highly effective, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. I doubt PK is low in terms of being a popular or lower than the rest of the cast, I'm willing to bet your confirmation bias is stopping you from noticing how frequently shes being picked. Even if she was an unpopular pick it doesnt reduce her effectiveness, Conqueror was an unpopular pick because of his boring playstyle but it didn't stop him from being one of the top 3 characters.

But the list does not show the difference in GB's. Triple stab is 38 combined Damage (32 bleed + 6 direct), double stab into wall stagger dash heavy + dagger followup is 55 combined Damage. A heavy with dagger followup after GB alone would deal 48 Damage - that would be instantly the highest guaranteed punish after a parry / gb in the game if you leave out the wall stagger combos.

Deflect for a guaranteed stab does 30 bleed damage btw OP, it is like hitting a heavy. You just dont want to use it when you face people with hyperarmor, there you should just block / parry. Comes down to knowing your opponent and adapting properly. E.g. if you face a Lawbringer who spams Shove + Light / GB you can "easily" counterattack the Light with a Deflect into heavy Damage.

Imo a way to balance her is to slow down Zone and 2. Light by 100ms (all at 500ms then), give her the heavy cancel gb / dagger in chains back (does not work since removal of timesnap), make all heavy into dagger cancels unblockable to give her options to force a reaction (this is where PK lacks the most).

[Zombie.Mantis]

LOL. there plenty of heroes that need to be on the buff list before PK. cough cough... Orochi, valk, kensai... pk is quite fine. her zone is so good and she has super fast lights. huge damage huge mobility. Yea she is worse than the gladiator and maybe shin obi now but please buff the ****ty heroes before pk.

[Charmzzz]

LOL. there plenty of heroes that need to be on the buff list before PK. cough cough... Orochi, valk, kensai... pk is quite fine. her zone is so good and she has super fast lights. huge damage huge mobility. Yea she is worse than the gladiator and maybe shin obi now but please buff the ****ty heroes before pk.

Kensei gets a complete rework with new moves and animations (confirmed). Valk is not that bad imo, faced a Rep 40 Valk yesterday and her mixup potential is pretty good. She just does not deal that much Damage, but as she is marked as a Disabler I think that's fine. Orochi Buff? Lets compare to PK:
- Double Top Light confirmed if first one hits, confirmed Double Top Light after Storm Rush hit which deals a massive amount of damage combined (and is pretty much easy doable in 4v4)
- Fast Zone (100ms slower than PK, but not as stamina intensive)
- Deflect Mixup potential, PK has none (this makes Orochi Deflect viable against Characters with Hyperarmor where as PK Deflect is not viable in those situations)
- Guaranteed Heavy after GB (35 Damage) compared to the Triple Stab which deals 38 Damage combined Damage but does not execute

I think that Orochi and PK are not that far away from each other, especially in higher skill level play. They both need an unblockable move to have a tool against turtles. On Orochi I would give him an unblockable Storm Rush or that "Dodge-Back-Into-Top-Heavy-Move", both feintable. To compensate I would get rid of the confirmed double top light and buff some of his other damage values.

More like "rework" both than just buff.

[Lyskir]

her heavies are not the slowest, shinobis and zerks are slower while Orochis and gladiators are faster. With warlord nerfed she's now the tied with glad for being the best 1v1 and she's one of the top picks for 4s. She absolutely does not need a buff, a rework maybe but not an outright buff. I'll agree that her deflect is bad but if you can deflect then you can parry and that has far better results outside of the few rare situations or match ups.

Also for the love of god, break up your posts in paragraphs if your going to write a novel. I'll be honest I didn't read past your complaints about deflect, but if your first few sentences were any indication of the rest of the post then I'm sure I'm not missing anything.

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