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[okamibanshu21]

I finally got it. I hate pvp because of the gank and spawn camping tactics of the crappiest players in the game, and i finally got an idea of how they could fix it. Dishonor counts. Every time you gang up on an enemy, personally i'd say 3 or more players on 1, you get a 'dishonor' token on your character. Once it reaches say 5, maybe less, dunno, your damage, you start loosing stamina as a 'punishment' to keep you from being able to compete in such activities. After a short while, or maybe after a death? the counter resets. Its not a perfect system, but could be a great way to balance out the dishonorable kills.

[Devils-_-legacy]

It's a game tho I hate being ganked and don't really join in if my team tries to but it may be called "for honor" but doesn't mean people are forced to play that way it is a game after all I'd suggest using the grace period to leave if you feel the cheese other then that maybe find some players to group with?

[ChampionRuby50g]

Yay, someone else who wants to punish players for using a valid tactic in 4v4s. Because sure, in a battle 1000 years ago i a soldier saw his Mate attacking an enemy he would stand there and watch while his mate dies, because otherwise it's "not honorable."
There's no Honor in death, and you can't dictate the way players want to play.

Spawn camping is a different issue, I could get on board with that.
It's a 4v4, not four 1v1s.

[okamibanshu21]

Yay, someone else who wants to punish players for using a valid tactic in 4v4s. Because sure, in a battle 1000 years ago i a soldier saw his Mate attacking an enemy he would stand there and watch while his mate dies, because otherwise it's "not honorable."
There's no Honor in death, and you can't dictate the way players want to play.

Spawn camping is a different issue, I could get on board with that.
It's a 4v4, not four 1v1s.

Ya know what, i posted a big whole whoopla, but let me make it simple. If you saw 4 guys beating on 1 in real life, you'd call teh cops, you'd maybe try to help, you'd do something. So, why is it not ok in real life, but ok in a video game? Games are not a reason to abandon your ethics, and yes, even in simple matters its still ethical to treat people decently. People do it to be cruel, troll, act like ****** bags, thats it. You do it to be mean, not because its a tactic. And if you spawn camp, your pathetic. I mean, wow, spawn camping is the biggest flag you can raise saying 'I SUCK, PLEASE DONT' FIGHT ME 1V1' so yeah, have fun with that ya looser, and that goes for 4v1 to, you fly the same flag the spawn campers do.

[okamibanshu21]

Yeah, so, you're confusing war with video games and a legitimate problem in the game with "dictating how people should play." The issue is, grouping is gamebreaking. It's not just an honor thing, it actually makes the game unbalanced because of how the combat system is made. Grouping up is fine in games like Mordhau or Mount and Blade because of the free camera. In For honor, the whole system is designed around dueling, so anything outside that is against conventions. In anything over a 2v1, it gets to be unfair because of how the game is made.

As soon as one team gets all 4 players to the same spot, they steamroll, pretty much no matter what. It reduces the need for skill or timing because you can just spam heavy attacks until whatever unlucky opponent dies. Even if one or two of you get parried, some attacks will always hit and the person will always die.

So there should be a punishment system in play (and the maps should be bigger) to discourage this type of play. In sports, when officials find an exploit that breaks the game completely, they make a rule banning it and a punishment for breaking that rule. This should be the same.

O.O well uh...wow...that kinda...thats kinda exactly what i wanted to say minus all the salt i can't help but post. *slow clap* bravo sir, bravo. Blah, message was to short ^_^

[john_gundon]

then, for even greater realism, it is worthwhile to increase the damage by its own up to 100%

[ChampionRuby50g]

Ya know what, i posted a big whole whoopla, but let me make it simple. If you saw 4 guys beating on 1 in real life, you'd call teh cops, you'd maybe try to help, you'd do something. So, why is it not ok in real life, but ok in a video game? Games are not a reason to abandon your ethics, and yes, even in simple matters its still ethical to treat people decently. People do it to be cruel, troll, act like ****** bags, thats it. You do it to be mean, not because its a tactic. And if you spawn camp, your pathetic. I mean, wow, spawn camping is the biggest flag you can raise saying 'I SUCK, PLEASE DONT' FIGHT ME 1V1' so yeah, have fun with that ya looser, and that goes for 4v1 to, you fly the same flag the spawn campers do.

Settle down mate, I said I could get on board with it for spawn camping. But yeah, cops would totally arrest me for killing someone IN A WAR. You're dense aren't you? Fighting in citadel gate and I come across my teammate been ganked, someone call the cops! Ahaha now that is funny. I'm sure that the 300 Spartans where sooking and whining about how they where getting ganked to their King 😂

[ChampionRuby50g]

I wasn't gonna do this but seeing as I'm getting a lift to work this morning I will.

If you see someone fighting an enemy, and they're about to die in a 4v4 mode, you are just going to stand there and watch? How do you think that makes this teamate feel? His ally is not been an ally at all, just a passive observer who lets his friend die for the sake of Honor. Since you love your real life references, would you do that in real life? Watch an ally die in front of you when you could of saved them all for the sake of Honor?
As it is in the game right now, Ganking is TEAMWORK. You are fighting with your TEAM because it's a 4v4, not four 1v1s. Fighting as a team is simply the best way to win. I agree that yes, there are people who do it to be trolls or cruel, saying Thanks after a gank. Then those who do it to win, because who wants to go into games wanting to lose?
So you mean to tell me because in a battle to take back a castle, me and a teammate kill someone we no longer have any morals or ethics? You sound like the people you hate.

But I'm curious. What would you say when 1 person on the enemy team is routinely wiping the floor with your team when they are ganking this one player? Is that skill if he can fight you all off constantly, or is that still flag raising, if he is in your spawn or not?

[okamibanshu21]

I wasn't gonna do this but seeing as I'm getting a lift to work this morning I will.

If you see someone fighting an enemy, and they're about to die in a 4v4 mode, you are just going to stand there and watch? How do you think that makes this teamate feel? His ally is not been an ally at all, just a passive observer who lets his friend die for the sake of Honor. Since you love your real life references, would you do that in real life? Watch an ally die in front of you when you could of saved them all for the sake of Honor?
As it is in the game right now, Ganking is TEAMWORK. You are fighting with your TEAM because it's a 4v4, not four 1v1s. Fighting as a team is simply the best way to win. I agree that yes, there are people who do it to be trolls or cruel, saying Thanks after a gank. Then those who do it to win, because who wants to go into games wanting to lose?
So you mean to tell me because in a battle to take back a castle, me and a teammate kill someone we no longer have any morals or ethics? You sound like the people you hate.

But I'm curious. What would you say when 1 person on the enemy team is routinely wiping the floor with your team when they are ganking this one player? Is that skill if he can fight you all off constantly, or is that still flag raising, if he is in your spawn or not?

yoru right, in real life, if it really were a war, i'd help, but guess what, THIS ISNT' A WAR. its a 4v4 fight, with a few minions in the middle, so shut up about that already. And yoru right, this is a game,a nd guess what, ganging up on one person, in any game, is considered usnportsmanlike conduct. And would i stand by and watch a 1v1 fight finish before joining in? yes, because i doubt anyone here would ***** about it unless that person had just jumped them during a 1v1. And if an ally asked for help, which is rare if the fights goign well and they want to be honorable, i migth help out. But if your asking for help because yoru getting spanked, al i'd do is gaurd break, but guess what that does? sends them into revenge, so i've stopped even doing that. So yeah, i'll wait, because normally that gets the guy who won, to fight me fairly. And as to yoru final example, i already said that i'd understand if someone was showing they were above and beyond, then that strategy would be fine, your no longer ganging up the enemy has proven to be a viable threat and you need backup. But jumping 1 guy out the gate, or just all four traveling together to 1 target at atime, no, thats pathetic, and your a bad player, its no skill, its no tactics, and its DEFIANTLY not teamwork. Teamwork would be 2 guys, fine maybe 4 if you want to be whiney about it, exposing teh target for attacks, nto the entire team spamming their attack buttons to steal the kill from one another. Your trying to validate this, and yet you are clearly one of the ones who do it. Its unsportsmanlike conduct, its unhonrable, and more then anything, its cowardly and obviously not something they want you to do, otherwise you'd be rewarded for it. So shut up about the 'war' we are fighting in the game you moron. Its a game, as you've said, so rules need to be in place to punish unsportsman like conduct. You dont' gang up on people unless they prove to be so threatening, you have no other choice. And i highly doubt the guy who's half dead, and the ally who's at full health, need help killing that guy. There is no argument you can make that can justify this as a sound, and all the time strategy. its situational AT BEST and even then, 2v1 is pushing that.

[ChampionRuby50g]

yoru right, in real life, if it really were a war, i'd help, but guess what, THIS ISNT' A WAR. its a 4v4 fight, with a few minions in the middle, so shut up about that already. And yoru right, this is a game,a nd guess what, ganging up on one person, in any game, is considered usnportsmanlike conduct. And would i stand by and watch a 1v1 fight finish before joining in? yes, because i doubt anyone here would ***** about it unless that person had just jumped them during a 1v1. And if an ally asked for help, which is rare if the fights goign well and they want to be honorable, i migth help out. But if your asking for help because yoru getting spanked, al i'd do is gaurd break, but guess what that does? sends them into revenge, so i've stopped even doing that. So yeah, i'll wait, because normally that gets the guy who won, to fight me fairly. And as to yoru final example, i already said that i'd understand if someone was showing they were above and beyond, then that strategy would be fine, your no longer ganging up the enemy has proven to be a viable threat and you need backup. But jumping 1 guy out the gate, or just all four traveling together to 1 target at atime, no, thats pathetic, and your a bad player, its no skill, its no tactics, and its DEFIANTLY not teamwork. Teamwork would be 2 guys, fine maybe 4 if you want to be whiney about it, exposing teh target for attacks, nto the entire team spamming their attack buttons to steal the kill from one another. Your trying to validate this, and yet you are clearly one of the ones who do it. Its unsportsmanlike conduct, its unhonrable, and more then anything, its cowardly and obviously not something they want you to do, otherwise you'd be rewarded for it. So shut up about the 'war' we are fighting in the game you moron. Its a game, as you've said, so rules need to be in place to punish unsportsman like conduct. You dont' gang up on people unless they prove to be so threatening, you have no other choice. And i highly doubt the guy who's half dead, and the ally who's at full health, need help killing that guy. There is no argument you can make that can justify this as a sound, and all the time strategy. its situational AT BEST and even then, 2v1 is pushing that.

For Honor is a war fighting game, the setting is a war, there is a faction War, there was a millennium of war before the current events in FH and when we play multiplayer we are technically fighting in the 7 year war that occurred after Apollyons death. But you said it yourself. ITS A 4v4!

So if a ally and I both shoot the same person and kill them in any shooter, we are now unsportsmanlike? Because according to you "in any game" two people working together is unsportmanlike. What about Battlefield 3 and 4, if an ally and I both shoot out launchers at a tank or helicopter and destroy it. Two people worked together to kill one, now we are horrible people.

I'm willing to bet all my life savings and then some that "everyone" here has ganked before, and will continue to regardless if they where jumped in a 1v1 or not. If you can't beat them, join them.

So when a new player is doing poorly, you're just gonna stand there and watch them struggle. Almost sounds tormenting, and definetly sounds more "unsportsmanlike" than helping them out. Revenge is the direct counter to ganking, so if you can't even kill one of your opponents if it's a 2v1 (anything more would be understandable) there's something wrong on your end, not the enemy's. But, you're gonna wait till your ally dies while doing nothing but stand there, and then fight their opponent who most likely lost health in that fight. Doesn't sound fair to me when one player is already at a health disadvantage.

So you're choosing to be dishonarble when you realise you can't beat your opponent in a fair fight? That's even worse than ganking in my eyes. You've started off honorable, but then turn into someone without Honor because you can't kill this person. What a hypocrite you are.

When I play it's usually always in a group, and we work together well because we know how the others fight, and don't just spam attacks at the opponent. For the record, I also hate it when people are just mashing attacks into me when they are on my side and im fighting someone else.

Yes I do gank, and when people call me out for it saying I'm trash I'll happily 1v1 them in a custom because I know I can back it up by myself. Problem? But guess what, you are rewarded for it. Some renown, a kill or assist, and a enemy dead which helps you on the road to victory.

There doesn't need to be rules in place. Ubi have said that they don't want to dictate the way people choose to play in this game, specifically when speaking about ganking too I'm 99.9% certain. There are also ways to report players for "unsportsmanlike" behaviour, because you could argue griefing is technically the same thing. So the next time you're ganked, report the player, film it and send it to Ubisoft so there's no doubt whatsoever this player is the scum of the earth, and then watch Ubi do nothing. Because it's a valid tactic used to win games.

You have no other choice to gank when a player is better than you. So you should defs get one of your tokens and be looked upon with shame.

I personally wouldn't stop and kill that enemy on half health, because I would be of better use elsewhere, perhaps capturing a zone.

(If this posted twice, sorry but I couldn't see my first comment due to the screen going white when I posted comment)