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OK so many will probally be confused with some of the entries on why where I have put them, but I feel like this tier list is very accurate with my experience with high tier players.
This list does not take into consideration bugs and exploits.
Duel
Top Tier: Gladiator, Centurion, raider
Mid Tier: Orochi, Nubushi, Shinobi, beserker, warlord, highlander, Lawbringer
Low tier: Warden, PK, Conquer, Kensei
Top Tier are the best of the bunch, normally beating everyone else with relative ease unless the opponent is also top tier.
Mid Tier are decent characters who can hold there own against Top tier and can beat low tier character with relative ease.
Low Tier are the bottom of the barrel, with capabilities of beating mid tier, and unless there a massive skill gap between you and your opponent you will lose to top tier.
Dominion
Top Tier: Gladiator, centurion, Shinobi, Lawbringer
Mid tier: Warlord, highlander, Conquer, Raider, Nubushi, Orochi
Low Tier: PK, Warden, Beserker, Conquer, Kensei
With this the way I ranked it is a little different, with me taking into how powerful they are with a typical 1V1 environment how strong their ganking potential is and how likely they are to survive a gank.
If you disagree place a comment and I will try to answer or legitimize your opinion.
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Put Raider to Mid Tier and PK to Top Tier in 1v1, its more accurate this wayOriginally Posted by Curently Go to original post
Warden is also still Mid Tier
"Top Tier are the best of the bunch, normally beating everyone else with relative ease unless the opponent is also top tier".
seriously? do u ever played as a Raider ? u have to play risky af, he has 0 save openers
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The reason she isn't top tier is again I'm using my tier list in high tier play, and in high tier she is useless she has no openers and besides her zone she cannot do anything, you literally need to hold your guard to right and her lights are easy to parry(at the point I'm at at least), and not kidding at some points me and some others were parrying her zone, just shows her little she can actually do.
Raider is because at the moment he has 50/50's that the warden would be jealous of great mix ups great punishes and his forward throw normally makes you go out of stamina leading to you being forced into situations where he will throw a heavy zone. His punish damage when your thrown on the floor is disgusting as his normal punish will normally give a top heavy into a 50/50 heavy zone.
And again this is for PC, In PS4 I do understand that she is pretty cancerous but in PC most times you see her you think of a free win.
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you can parry/Block heavy into stunning tab on reactionOriginally Posted by Curently Go to original post
you can GB raider while he is doing his zone, the window for that is huge
and you can interruped the zone/stunning tab mixup with a simple light attack or dodge BOTH by dodging into where the attack is coming from with the right timing
just because you have trouble against him does not mean he is Top Tier
the only hero that can call him Top Tier is warden cause he can negate all his shoulderbash mixups
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OK lets now talk about why warden isn't op, he can only attack from two directions which is a top light and zone, both which are basically crappy versions of orochi, and with getting a free GB on blocking his zone.His "Vortex" is crap, when I face Setmyx the warden who SB first always gets punished as we both know how to counter it, especially since he can only cancel it into a GB on the first stage meaning the second stage he can only launch it early or make it go to stage 3, this is the reason why it is useless (also you can casually roll away from it if you still feel like you won't be able to dodge it right).
When I play warden I win most of the time, but the problem is SB is either used most of the game or none of it, since players I see go into 2 categories players who know how to counter it and will punish you for using it or players who just don't move and guess and try to dash to the side to dodge it. When Im against the ladder their normally high prestige who mainly just parry to get their main damage. The moment I went up against a rep 40 Orochi, the game was his due tot he fact that my zone was useless, my SB was useless and the only real way I could damage him was through him whiffing GB's or me getting a parry.
Also Raider... He has the strongest punishes in the game, a forward charge which if he gets off parry into GB, will always deplete your stamina, lots of mix ups, and the "Huge time" to GB him out of it is mostly done of prediction and not reaction, that zone is one of the the definitions of a 50/50(Still don't think it should be nerfed though). The reason being is that you actually need to learn Raider, the moment you learn to parry and have decent stamina management he becomes a monster who can beat the entire cast (Maybe not glad though).
If you believe anything I have said is incorrect give me examples of "High tier game play", this means decent players aka people with experience, meaning rep 40+ and not people being incapable of countering simple things or are still relatively new to the game still.
And what does me being a Warden main mean?
Here's a story, I played ranked and went against a warden. Me vs him both warden's what ended up happening is for the first 2 rounds he would throw out a light which I would either parry or crushing counter, he would throw out a flicker zone that I would either Block or parry. And only 1 SB hit me and that was after he used it when he got 1 crushing counter on me. He was Rep 28, yet I was beating him like a rag doll. What ended up happening is that he did nothing because he knew I could counter everything he did(BTW I played aggressively) the problem wasn't about turtling, it was that warden is a predictable character you will know what he is going to do and people capitalize on that. That's why in high tier play the only people like me play him, not because he's good but because he was my main since BETA, do you really think the conquer and Kensei mains play them still because they are good? No it's because they want to play them, no matter how bad they are.
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I would say yes you are right, if he couldn't cancel his zone. The way your acting like is that the raider will always let it go, and that's the point of it its a 50/50 he can cancel it, and good Raiders "And I have seen some very good Raiders," will not allow that to happen more then once, unless your predictable and that's not a character problem that's a problem with you as a player.
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Originally Posted by Curently Go to original post
More accurate is
Peacekeeper to top tier( because her fast attack)
Berserker to mid tier( berserker on low tier is not make sense to me at all. also berserker might be top tier if someone know how to use it)
Centurion to mid tier( but to me it's low tier, because centurion cant beat orochi, berserker, peacekeeper, nobushi, and conquer at the highest level skills).
Shugoki to mid tier( might be top tier either unless someone know how to use him such as his Uninterruptible Stance and his deflect light attack without being interrupt himself)
Gladiator to troll tier.( hes really meaningless to this tier. there's no way i can define him in the tier i play him can beat almost all heroes)
shinobi to low tier( due to everyone easy to counter his attack before the nerf but can be top tier if someone know how to use shinobi at high level skills)
and the rest of them are remaining to the tiers.
