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[Knight_Raime]

Shinobi god tier hahhaha what a joke, even if you have a problem with shinobi you can make plenty of mistakes and still be alive, wheras if shinobi makes one or two mistakes shes basically dead, its no wonder you hardly ever see them in games anymore, its not worth it, one parry or counter guardbreak, free heavy. Yes thats fair, but thats fine with me, if she was made better she could become high up tier, so leave her be, and kensei isnt low tier, i mean i know everyone cries about him being awful, yet the true people who play as kensei can very often destroy people, so not top tier but definitely not bottom tier, just my two cents anyway, nice one for attempting a list

ahem. Clearly you missed the part where I said that particular tier list hadn't been updated since around the middle of season 2. That context is kind of important.
The list was made before he got his kick nerfed.

Kensei has a good kit as a whole. Just doesn't fit in with the current defensive meta. A god tier kensei player could be doing a lot better/getting a lot more from their effort if they were playing almost any other hero.

[Trbevis]

Oh is it haha? I didnt realise, my bad, saw it come up as recent.

[Knight_Raime]

Oh is it haha? I didnt realise, my bad, saw it come up as recent.

Nah my up to date tier lists are towards the bottom of my post. the competitive one has unlock tech and cheese in mind. My personal tier list does not acknowledge either. But does acknowledge all light parry punishes and OOS punishes.

[SenBotsu893]

Are you playing on PC or Consoles?

Also what about Zone attacks? i think those are a big factor especally on Consoles. the Fast Zones are not possible to parry on reaction on consoles. but i have seen some of the good players parry them on PC on reaction.

[Knight_Raime]

Are you playing on PC or Consoles?

Also what about Zone attacks? i think those are a big factor especally on Consoles. the Fast Zones are not possible to parry on reaction on consoles. but i have seen some of the good players parry them on PC on reaction.

Xbox. Didn't really factor in anyones zone barring pk's and bushi's. For me the only one that gets me even consistently is pk's. I'm usually blocking bushi's and wardens. I don't see a lot of orochi's using zone these days. Oh and IG raiders since it's apart of his "mix ups"

[Zhantay]

As a Nobushi main I'm happy she isn't just low tier, but at the same time her unlock tech is dirty. Kensei however should be mid tier with the amount of armor he gets on swings, if his openers arent parried he just trades hits and his feinting is still one of the best next to zerker. And his Overhead unblockable that can be turned into an armored side heavy can also be feinted into a grab,light or a heavy so in this instance Kensei can feint his attack twice in a row to catch players offguard. But most Kensei's i see don't even feint but still this is the potiental of Kensei, just sucks that he's been low tier since the game's release.

[SenBotsu893]

As a Nobushi main I'm happy she isn't just low tier, but at the same time her unlock tech is dirty. Kensei however should be mid tier with the amount of armor he gets on swings, if his openers arent parried he just trades hits and his feinting is still one of the best next to zerker. And his Overhead unblockable that can be turned into an armored side heavy can also be feinted into a grab,light or a heavy so in this instance Kensei can feint his attack twice in a row to catch players offguard. But most Kensei's i see don't even feint but still this is the potiental of Kensei, just sucks that he's been low tier since the game's release.

the problem with feint is that it cant beat a turtle. it would require them to actually try and parry the incomming attack. but if someone just blocks theres no going through.
Also Kensei only gains Hyperarmor on his Heavy sidefinsisher. all other attacks are interuptable.

in that regard i find Higlander is excelling in Kenseis Coremoves. he gets the hyperarmor on all his heavy swings. and his Celtic curse cancel is basically a better version of Kenseis finisher mix up because it has hyperarmor on startup + dodge frames(if canceld into sideheavy) and is also faster. to top it off the celtic curse can be used as an initator while Kensei has to go through his moveset to start the mix up.

[Mythic MK II]

Idk what most people think is really bad about Centurrion. but here is my opninion (ignore the double letters that come out sometimes, my KB is being stupid lately)

His wall combo;
I know that you count the list without the gimmicks but this is the thing people are, justifyingly, mad about. It takes a ton of health off of you without escape opportunities.

IMO, this is truly the only thing that bothers me. in 1v1 he is easy to counter with a good assortment of classes. Ofcourse, it is about your ability to react and knowledge of that class wether you succeed. I guess quite a few are not able to.

His pins:

This is THE main problem I have with the class but only in 4v4. and only a tad bit in 1v1.

He has plenty of ways to get you out of stam and even knock you on the ground with stam. Ganking used to be fine aand could be countered. But with him as one of the gankers you are just completely, dare I say, ****ed. charged heavy, Charged jab (and then to prolong it, ground pin which puts you practically in a cutscene). These attacks and abilities makes him the ultimate, rage inducing, nemesis of any 4v4 mode. Most of the time dodging won't go well either because the other folk that gank you will just grab you and you have no way to get out of that.

Yeah I can parry before he does the charged heavy with then again, I have another guy to worry about. (and laately indicators don't always show up which makes it REALLY hard to counter anything).

Maybe they should just make it so that if you get hit while being stabbed on the grround that you get up immediately? idk.

Anyways. this is the issue with Cent. 1v1 he is okay, and can be a hard matchup for plenty of people. But in 4v4 he reigns king of the gankers.

[Knight_Raime]

As a Nobushi main I'm happy she isn't just low tier, but at the same time her unlock tech is dirty. Kensei however should be mid tier with the amount of armor he gets on swings, if his openers arent parried he just trades hits and his feinting is still one of the best next to zerker. And his Overhead unblockable that can be turned into an armored side heavy can also be feinted into a grab,light or a heavy so in this instance Kensei can feint his attack twice in a row to catch players offguard. But most Kensei's i see don't even feint but still this is the potiental of Kensei, just sucks that he's been low tier since the game's release.

Yeah I personally never thought of her as bad. the stuff she can do with her hidden stance is great. her zone even when used without unlocked is strong as heck. and she can have zero recovery on her dodge attacks. Her kit is great. She just doesn't have a really good way to open someone who mostly blocks. But yeah. Her unlock tech puts her above everyone on a competitive level. and I just explained why I think highly of her on my personal tier list.

Kensei is much in the same boat. But I feel he's lower than her. Maybe it's because I haven't really played him or fought a competent kensei though.

[Knight_Raime]

Idk what most people think is really bad about Centurrion. but here is my opninion (ignore the double letters that come out sometimes, my KB is being stupid lately)

His wall combo;
I know that you count the list without the gimmicks but this is the thing people are, justifyingly, mad about. It takes a ton of health off of you without escape opportunities.

IMO, this is truly the only thing that bothers me. in 1v1 he is easy to counter with a good assortment of classes. Ofcourse, it is about your ability to react and knowledge of that class wether you succeed. I guess quite a few are not able to.

His pins:

This is THE main problem I have with the class but only in 4v4. and only a tad bit in 1v1.

He has plenty of ways to get you out of stam and even knock you on the ground with stam. Ganking used to be fine aand could be countered. But with him as one of the gankers you are just completely, dare I say, ****ed. charged heavy, Charged jab (and then to prolong it, ground pin which puts you practically in a cutscene). These attacks and abilities makes him the ultimate, rage inducing, nemesis of any 4v4 mode. Most of the time dodging won't go well either because the other folk that gank you will just grab you and you have no way to get out of that.

Yeah I can parry before he does the charged heavy with then again, I have another guy to worry about. (and laately indicators don't always show up which makes it REALLY hard to counter anything).

Maybe they should just make it so that if you get hit while being stabbed on the grround that you get up immediately? idk.

Anyways. this is the issue with Cent. 1v1 he is okay, and can be a hard matchup for plenty of people. But in 4v4 he reigns king of the gankers.

I can't really comment on 4v4 because I don't really play it. I used to play a good amount of it in the first month or so of the games launch. But I wasn't happy with how 4v4 played and i'm still really not (though I admit it's getting better) so i've been in 1v1 most of for honor's life span.

I agree that he has a lot of "options" and that alone makes centurion frustrating to deal with in any mode. That's why in one of my threads I suggested a handful of nerfs and a few slight buffs in order to make him easier to understand and less punishing overall.