More cent talk and reevaluating my tier list. | Forums

[Knight_Raime]

Let's just get right to it. I know how many people hate the centurion and I get repeated flak for defending him. I've done my share of lengthy debates. I created a thread specifically calling for nerfs (and a few buffs) for centurion. I have always ranked Centurion as mid tier if not top of the mid tier grouping. But I always get laughed out of threads for stating as such. Well today i'm going to explain how I ranked the heros in the past and how I rank them now. That way going forward hopefully people won't think i'm just bad or biased or both just because I may not be agreeing with people.

My old tier list which hasn't been updated since about mid of season 2:
god tier: warlord, shinobi
Top tier: PK, conq, warden.
Mid tier: mostly everyone.
Bottom tier: kensei, shugoki.

God tier is simple. a hero with many options on top of strong openings.
Top tier is a well rounded kit that either has a solid way to open someone or had some gimmick that kept them propped up (conq)
mid tier is full of people who either are one trick ponies or lop sided kits that just don't have a consistent way to open up a turtle.
and bottom tier is for people who just can't stick it in this meta regardless of buffs or nerfs to the other cast. They may or may not have a solid kit. But we won't see them doing anything amazing till the defensive meta is fixed.

The biggest thing to understand about my tier list is 2 things: I don't look at unlock tech or any ultra cheesy tactic. Secondly I look at the entire kit for viability. and how they would perform without light parry punishes. So where does centurion come into this? Well I classified him previously as top of mid tier. That was because I excluded his infinite wall combo. Because I excluded his light parry punishes. And because pretty much anything he has outside of that is bad against a competent player barring parry counter and his charging heavy. Essentially I saw only 2-3 good things about him. And he has no opener. Which is why he's ranked lower than most people like to place him.

On top of that when I argue I don't even think about his parry punishes (aside from counter) because we know and have known for awhile that light parry punishes were going to be going away. and that is one fo the 3 major things about centurion that makes him so good. that combined with the shift of the PTR 2 changes we tested were always at the front of my mind. Essentially I as a centurion main not only play him differently than most do. But i've always seen him differently than most. So for that I can be slammed for. Not for bias. Just a different way of thinking.

HOWEVER, since the big changes won't likely be coming till season 4 and we likely will not see huge character rebalancing until then it's pretty clear that I have to change my outlook on things. I still refuse to acknowledge a kit being "top tier" because of some new unlock tech or exploit. When I think of tier list i'm still going to look at the kit as a whole. But going forward I will do my best to acknowledge cheesy exploits and unlock tech. And do my best to remind people when i'm discussing a kit I'm not talking about an exploit or unlock tech. I WILL acknowledge light parry punishes going forward until they are gone.

That being said let me rank the heros along with the new dlc ones. there will be 2 lists. the competitive list. and my personal one. Competitive includes any and all tactics and tech. My personal list ignores cheese and unlocks:

Competitive tier list:
Top tier: nobushi>Warlord>PK/centurion>warden.
Upper tier: Conq> Shinobi> Raider.
Mid tier: Orochi> valk> berzerker> Lawbringer.
Low tier: Kensei/goki

DLC heros are excluded since we don't know of any unlock tech for either yet. No exploits. and we're still feeling out them overall.

Personal list:
Top tier: Warlord> shinobi> warden> pk> gladiator.
upper tier: Centurion> Highlander> Nobushi> Zerker/orochi> conq.
mid tier: Lawbringer> Valk.
Low tier: kensei/goki.

Rather than type out why I believe what I believe if you have a question on my placement feel free to ask. both lists are ordered from top to bottom in that tier. /= same or hard to say either due to lack of match ups/experience or because I feel they are about equal. TLDR: My own personal ranking ignored cheese and unlock tech. Plus i'm always looking at the kit as a whole and what it would be like in a non defensive meta. I was never really on the same page with people who I debated with. I apologize.

[UbiJurassic]

Thanks for sharing your tier list! Finding out where each hero stands in the eyes of the community helps us better understand areas for improvement when it come to balance changes for the future. Do other players have thoughts or opinions they'd like to share on his tier rankings?

[RatedChaotic]

Ya most are afraid too....wink. Its why I always stressed this tier stuff to the community. Most dont post a list. They just say this hero is this and we bicker over that one hero for pages....But I think Valk is above Conq personally.lol good list.

[Sneaky-Patches]

I think you got some right, but shinobi is nowhere near top tier. Out of all the heroes you've named, shinobi is one of the only heros that nobody has even made it into the beginning of a tournament with, because his moves are all fairy easy to dodge and also punish. Shinobi would be either beside kensei, or in a tier between the very bottom and the next highest.

Majority of Competitive For Honor reddit ranks him down at the bottom beside kensei. A post came up recently with a competitive player giving a pretty accurate tier list, with the most upvotes. I think he nailed it, I'll link it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...f_a_tier_list/

[kweassa1]

The term "competitive tier list", in this case, simply means "when we assume its totally OK to simply abuse whatever bugs in game", I'm afraid. IMO performance comparisons should never take in as a factor any kind of bug abuse.

[Netcode_err_404]

I think you got some right, but shinobi is nowhere near top tier. Out of all the heroes you've named, shinobi is one of the only heros that nobody has even made it into the beginning of a tournament with, because his moves are all fairy easy to dodge and also punish. Shinobi would be either beside kensei, or in a tier between the very bottom and the next highest.

Majority of Competitive For Honor reddit ranks him down at the bottom beside kensei. A post came up recently with a competitive player giving a pretty accurate tier list, with the most upvotes. I think he nailed it, I'll link it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...f_a_tier_list/

That list a just a big discussions about exploits by an exploiter.


But even him confirmed all I said since raider buff.


He is s tier just because stapede abuse.

[Sneaky-Patches]

That list a just a big discussions about exploits by an exploiter.


But even him confirmed all I said since raider buff.


He is s tier just because stapede abuse.

I'm not disagreeing, this exploiting stuff is pure cancer and these people abusing it should be fired into the sun, but it doesn't change the fact that that is the reality of what the current tier list is.

If they fix the unlock exploit, nobushi won't be top tier at all, mid or lower. And as you said raider will probably drop if they fix his stampede (not an exploit), but will still be very strong due to his OOS punish being the best in the game.

It's still not too far off though, and the bottom tier is very accurate (to varying degrees) regardless.

[RatedChaotic]

That list a just a big discussions about exploits by an exploiter.


But even him confirmed all I said since raider buff.


He is s tier just because stapede abuse.

After reading through those comments...... I marveled in my awesomeness......about everthing I said about tiers.....LMAO oops ment to quote errors comment lol

but I'm just a pve player what do I know?

[Vakris_One]

I'm not disagreeing, this exploiting stuff is pure cancer and these people abusing it should be fired into the sun, but it doesn't change the fact that that is the reality of what the current tier list is.

If they fix the unlock exploit, nobushi won't be top tier at all, mid or lower. And as you said raider will probably drop if they fix his stampede (not an exploit), but will still be very strong due to his OOS punish being the best in the game.

It's still not too far off though, and the bottom tier is very accurate (to varying degrees) regardless.

It feels very much like a personal list in my opinion. I mean he puts Warden and Lawbringer in the bottom tier alongside Kensei? Hmm... Interesting.

[Sneaky-Patches]

It feels very much like a personal list in my opinion. I mean he puts Warden and Lawbringer in the bottom tier alongside Kensei? Hmm... Interesting.

I guess it is a personal list, but the majority of the players on that reddit are all fairly competitive players, always discussing how to squeeze a drop of extra damage out of scenarios or exploits and how to get out of them, or maximum punishes for every conceivable scenario etc.. Usually when they all upvote a popular list it tends to be pretty close, in my opinion anyway. I've learnt a lot reading through that sub reddit, and how to spot these exploiters on the PS4 too, and workarounds of how to beat them without stooping to their level.

But yeah, I kinda agree that lawbringer isn't great (but not bottom tier though, I woulda thought mid) and I though warden would be higher too, but maybe things have shifted a bit as of late? Did anyone see any wardens in the last competition? I didn't get to see all the rosters that faced off so I'm not too sure on that...