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[Tundra 793]

Pretty interesting. At one point I had always mixed Asgard and Midgard with how the Nordic deities ruled the afterlife; assuming Valhalla was the only "true" afterlife, and Asgard being more of a spiritual plane wherein they go repent their sins before ascending to Valhalla, without being a "hell" of sorts. Only recently it came to me that Asgard and Valhalla are closely related. Also to note, Gudmundr utters the word Hel after you defeat him in the final chapter of the Knights campaign, right before he dies. Thereby insinuating that the Vikings in For Honor indeed draw a lot from the historical Viking myth and folklore in the real world.

For newcomers to it, it's best to view Norse Mythology as a blank slate, without assumptions rooted in other religions. There's no real concept of sin, divine punishments, spirituality etc.
Asgard, Midgard, Hel etc. are all different worlds entirely, but in some aspect they all co-exist in the same universe and space- time continuum. It's possible, within the mythology, to travel between the different worlds without being dead or a God.

To simplify it; Valhalla is just a large building located in Asgard, much like how the White House is also a big house located in Midgard.

Good to see ya on here as well, mang. Always a pleasure.

I never stopped stalking this place.

[Vakris_One]

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[Tundra 793]

Hah yeah, I had always thought, Asgard was where the higher, more pure human beings resided, like a place really high up in the mountains, close to the skies, completely mundane and abandoned to the naked eye but is in fact a spiritual place, a sort of spot where two planes of existence clash between each other. The physical bodies of the more pure human beings remain there but their spirits ascend into the skies, awaiting till they are fully accepted into Valhalla. Much like an islated town with a huge hall / monastery in the middle, acting as the "conduit". And no other human being could possibly reach that place, only those designated by Odin could ever survive the journey.

While Midgard being the "lower plane" where most of the humans reside, among a rare few "descendants" who may spot other pure souls through deeds and actions, and guide them towards Asgard, on Odin's calling. It was only recently that this entire standpoint shifted into a different perspective.

Man. Can never have enough of Norse mythology.

That's certainly a unique interpretation, don't think I've ever heard anyone describe the Mythology like that. Objectively though it's quite, well, wrong. Sorry mate.
I feel bad hijacking Archo's thread even more, since it'd take a long *** post to start getting into all the finer details of Norse Mythology, but hit me up if you want a more thorough walkthrough.

[Archo-Vax]

That's certainly a unique interpretation, don't think I've ever heard anyone describe the Mythology like that. Objectively though it's quite, well, wrong. Sorry mate.
I feel bad hijacking Archo's thread even more, since it'd take a long *** post to start getting into all the finer details of Norse Mythology, but hit me up if you want a more thorough walkthrough.

Discussions like this is why I started this Thread in the first place. Go forth and prosper, my children!

[Tundra 793]

Nah all good man, already knew my own previous interpretation was wonky; more into a fantasy setting than into a Nordic setting.

And sure thing, feel free to spam me via email with entire journals with links to any relevant source whenever you feel like it (which, I've yet to respond to your recent one, apologies as I've not had the proper time recently).

Most of modern Fantasy rips half their core concept from Norse Mythology, e.g. Lord of the Rings.

A picture says more than a thousand words, so here's a Youtube clip from that Danish cartoon I mentioned many, many pages ago, depicting a trip from Midgard to Asgard, across the rainbow bridge.
I believe the Vikings thought of the different worlds of their mythology as physical locations, not necessarily places on different spiritual planes, but a place it was possible to travel to.
You'll also see a great depiction of Valhalla itself near the end.

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[CandleInTheDark]

So I haven't kept tabs on this thread past having read the initial posts when they were first posted.

I played through the campaign again as I got the game on PC and figured the trials and campaign would make for a good aid in muscle memory (over 20 hours, mostly because I wanted to be completionist when I had blasted through without worrying about collectibles on xbox and yeah I think it did better than the same amount of time in PVP).

I was wondering if there was a consensus on the bald giant head statues Apollyon's observations note no faction built and what if anything was made of her comments that civilization is built on civilization is built on civilization which was a running theme throughout down to her fortress having been, rather than just one castle, three separate castles built over each other.

[Archo-Vax]

So I haven't kept tabs on this thread past having read the initial posts when they were first posted.

I played through the campaign again as I got the game on PC and figured the trials and campaign would make for a good aid in muscle memory (over 20 hours, mostly because I wanted to be completionist when I had blasted through without worrying about collectibles on xbox and yeah I think it did better than the same amount of time in PVP).

I was wondering if there was a consensus on the bald giant head statues Apollyon's observations note no faction built and what if anything was made of her comments that civilization is built on civilization is built on civilization which was a running theme throughout down to her fortress having been, rather than just one castle, three separate castles built over each other.

The Myre used to be completely an ocean, before it turned into a tropical swamp sometime during the TMB, after which, The Dawn Empire arrived there. The massive plateau on which the city of Koto is constructed must have been a large island during most of TMB, until the sea level lowered and turned the place into a swamp. The knights had a city built on that island, which the Dawn Empire took over and built their own city on top of. The knights had built their city on the remains of a much older city, which belonged to a different, older civilization, which no one knows anything about.

[Archo-Vax]

Both in private or on here, provided Archo wouldn't mind lengthy discussions on Norse mythology.

Go right ahead- I have no complaints.

[CandleInTheDark]

What interests me more is the history of Blackstone Keep. Who originally built this? does it date as far back as the golden age of the Knights? Apollyon specifically says it's called The Shard because it's essentially built upon several layers of rubble, with said rubble being none other than the remains of past fortresses that belonged to ancient warlords and ancestors. And from the emblems and flags handing around the map, I'd love to know more about these ancestors.

Moreover; why is Blackstone Keep so close to Mt.Ignis? what power does it gain from the red mountain? how does it benefit from being established on a land of fire and ash, how does it sustain humans living inside its walls with no crops or seeds for miles? I'd love to theorize some demonic / otherworldly entity that played a role in all this lore but without presentable evidence I just find it unlikely to be rooted.

Why the demonic names, who invented them? whose idea was it? if the ancestor Knights invented them, why? if they had demonic powers... how did they vanish from the Cataclysm? or have they been submerged underground all this time, and both us and Apollyon knew nothing?

I'd say please don't encourage the volcano nuts but I've washed my hands of the whole thing >.>

I found a site that does level transcripts including the observables for some of them, there was this on demon names

"We seven leaders of the Blackstone Legion took demon names. It is both as a warning to others, and a reminder to ourselves. We are strong, and we must be sure of what we choose to do with that strength."

[Tundra 793]

My god, I actually loved it. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I remember that video back then, many pages ago... isn't it the same guy in this video who went on a food contest against a giant? is this video before or after that contest?

It sure is, and that "guy" be Thor, God of thunder. Don't let Marvel fool you, the Sagas portray Thor as a readhead, tempermental and more down to earth.
This clip takes place before it. I can't remember the exact plot of the cartoon, but it's based on several different Sagas, and follows 3 young kids on their journeys with Thor and Loki through Midgard, Asgard and Utgard/Jotunheim.

This is actually eerily close to how I had originally imagined Asgard to be. A place where only the invited may cross into, through special means of transportation, although in my head it was originally a spiritual plane where you essentially shift between worlds while climbing the world's highest peak (think of a frozen city that's not so frozen after all, and feels warm and cozy, right atop Mount Everest). But yeah, I'm digging it. I need to watch this entire cartoon. As well as research more into this beautiful, beautiful mythology. I wouldn't mind either if we exchanged entire journals. By all means, feel free to spam me whatever. Both in private or on here, provided Archo wouldn't mind lengthy discussions on Norse mythology.

How did your original ideas about the Mythology come about?

I went through some trouble to try and find a picture I had saved on my computer a long while back. Reuploaded it on imgur to share here. It's eerily beautiful.

It sure is beautiful, though a bit off point. Aside from the rainbow bridge, there's nothing inherently Scandinavian about the image.

I'd love to be able to point to a specific historic artwork, or runestone, but there's just no artistic expression of Valhalla made by the Vikings. We only have descriptions from the Sagas;

The rafters of Valhalla are made from spears, the benches are strewn with coats of mail. Valhalla has 540 doors, each one wide enough for 800 warriors to stand shoulder-to-shoulder.
A wolf stands guard at the Western gate, an eagle hovers above. There's a goat whose udders provide an endless stream of beer, and a pig who provides endless meat to the chosen warriors.

And many other details.

In the interest of remaining even slightly on topic, it'd make one hell of an incredible Dominion map.