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[Alustar.exe]

I think his design is fine. It just needs polishing. I disagree with him being anything close to spammy. then again I play 1v1. I can't speak on 4v4. Though 4v4 is and imo always will be a spam fest of moves. wether its stam drain attacks or safe moves.

I think that's the biggest problem facing this community is the sciscm between the duelists and the team fighters. Probably will be as long as it's around. I can say I personally got the game because I thought it was going to be a team fighter, much larger than the current 4v4 setting. That aside I can say Ubi has their hands full trying to keep that tentative balance of duels and group fights. I feel I've been good about giving them props when they are due, but I feel they weren't exactly prepared for what this game "could be" when they started putting the pieces together. It will take time and I hope all something good comes from this. It's been a hell of a ride, I seriously haven't had this consistent of an adrenaline rush playing a game since I was a kid taking out mega man bosses.

[Knight_Raime]

I think that's the biggest problem facing this community is the sciscm between the duelists and the team fighters. Probably will be as long as it's around. I can say I personally got the game because I thought it was going to be a team fighter, much larger than the current 4v4 setting. That aside I can say Ubi has their hands full trying to keep that tentative balance of duels and group fights. I feel I've been good about giving them props when they are due, but I feel they weren't exactly prepared for what this game "could be" when they started putting the pieces together. It will take time and I hope all something good comes from this. It's been a hell of a ride, I seriously haven't had this consistent of an adrenaline rush playing a game since I was a kid taking out mega man bosses.

yeah. That's why most of the time whenever I interject my opinion I make it clear that my reply is coming from a duelist perspective. I come from the group of people who migrated from the dark souls series. So dueling is where I was going to be at. I liked 4v4 at launch when no one knew makes punishes or had the timing down for things. but 4v4 when played by a smart group of players is literally trapping someone into a decision of eating a hit or eating a stamina bash attack.

I'm hoping the revenge changes from PTR change that. as it sucks that I can't play with my full group of friends. I still think feats need to be moved around in their tiers and some need to be redesigned entirely. some of the nerfs they did were good. but a lot were not. I also think hero stacking shouldn't be possible. and spawns need to be loads better. But considering how much work it would take to make 4v4 proper fun (in my opinion) i'm actually more glad they are working on the fundementals first (which just so happen to also strongly effect duels)

I don't think 4v4 will ever be in a state I could enjoy on a serious level.

[UbiJurassic]

Great thread and discussion, Knight_Raime. A lot of those purposed changes seem rather reasonable. There's also a lot of great feedback in the comments section here as well. I'll be sure to note them down and pass them along to the team.

[Knight_Raime]

Great thread and discussion, Knight_Raime. A lot of those purposed changes seem rather reasonable. There's also a lot of great feedback in the comments section here as well. I'll be sure to note them down and pass them along to the team.

much appreciated. :>

[BudgetParrot118]

I think his design is fine. It just needs polishing. I disagree with him being anything close to spammy. then again I play 1v1. I can't speak on 4v4. Though 4v4 is and imo always will be a spam fest of moves. wether its stam drain attacks or safe moves.

Here's a little gift. I mean no offense by this but for you to say that I literally just lost all your credit with me I can't help but feel at this point you're just biased.

At first, no it's not that I am unable to beat centurions, even good ones.
But I agree, that fighting a Cent is more stress then fun.

There are many things wrong with the Cent, and you all know those things:
- his stamina pool and consumption
(for everyone who does not know how "critical" this case is, here a video i did long ago)

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Thats so fair
The real problem here is, his feints do NOT consume stamina... and second problem, he has a 40% higher stamina pool, compared to every other hero.

- his stamina drain - if he gets you with a combo, instant OOS, have fun

- his Melee attacks are useable on hit or block

- he has a fast Guardbreak and he can softfeint with it to mix it up

- Heavy attacks as fast as light attacks

and so on ... in total, he has much more advantages then disadvantages.

One small mistake, and you lose half of your life (or more) and all your stamina.

[BudgetParrot118]

I've literally seen people with the opinion of that Centurion was good that he was overpowered because he encourages teamwork to take him down

I've read that it was good that he was overpowered and really what we all need to do is use him and play with him for a while and then we can learn his moves and find his weakness.

Either way the problem is he has issues all across the board and advantages above other characters and it's just absurd.

From my experience aside from the stuns the kicks the grabs and ultimately what I call spams even though it's a legit combo in the developers eyes I guess

There's no reward for getting past his BS you dodged all his moves he does that one stab that follows you then he does a punch or pins you and starts the combo over again and his stamina is ridiculous and by the end of it he still has more stamina than you to kill you mean while you lay on the ground for the finishing Grand Finale jumping stab

I've played the game for hours trust me if there was a way to legitimately beat him I would find it but there really isn't unless you get another Centurion or you use lawbringer again that's still not a guarantee because I don't use lawbringer and I'm not familiar enough with his moves to even spam his shove correctly to get my hits in. I'm a viking faction nothing short of maybe getting lucky enough to carry him off a ledge with a raider. I can't actually fight against this character.

In all honesty I should be able to beat him with any character you shouldn't have to change characters to beat someone.

I play for 6 hours at a time sometimes. I've played over a course of three months everyday.

[Knight_Raime]

@BudgetParrot118

cool beans. If you're going to be that way i'm just not going to reply to you anymore. I've seen how you post in other threads and haven't muted you yet because I haven't specifically interacted with you much. But I disagree with you once and you basically stuff your retoric down my throat. Not cool.

Also I've been playing a LOT longer than you. Not that it really matters anyway. The fact that you write me off as biased is kind of why i'm dropping him as a main.
Frankly i'm sick of people discounting anything I say just because I play him. It doesn't matter if I give decent counter points. It doesn't matter if I give my uncensored experiences.
heck. I even made this thread ADVOCATING nerfs for him. But no.

Just because I don't specifically agree with your opinion on his kit i'm biased. Yeah. Makes total sense. I'm just not even going to give you another shot.
consider yourself muted. Have a nice day/evening.

[BudgetParrot118]

Okay, anger.... Not intended result. You may need some balancing as well.

Chill

Don't take it personal. To me you're just words. Likewise am I.

I'm not saying your bad or anything I just think because you play him there is a conflict of interest, and an unintionak bias.

I didn't think that in your thread post. Then you're response to me was where I gave my opinion.

Rhetoric? unfortunately even though stated facts with video evidence.

Trust me if I could. I would take my time dissecting centurion down to his empire. I just don't have the abilities to upload and edit videos to prove what the developers already know. I find it a waste of time.


Well if I'm rhetoric you be diatribe. Okay...?


Seriously don't get, upset. I'm only messing with you to some degree. I really am,not trying to start anything.

I think the proof is what upsets you not me. I gave my time in the game to prove my familiarity with it.

If the game gets to be unbearable. As loyal as I am I leave.

In not far from it as of now. I hate the idea of,needing and buffing. Quite, frankly,the project obviously needed more time in development and we the players are stuck in this wizard of oz scenario hoping to speak to the developers. When in reality this limbo we are all in when it comes to the game and the cause of a lot of arguments on this forum shouldnt be.

To ve honest this type of development is highly unprofessional in the eyes of commerce and the exchange of money for definitive goods or services.

Warlord glitches tonight. Rediculously slow then he speeds up then slow.

The poor guy is so fat that he catches every corner glitch and gets hung up unable to,move. Repetitive issue...leading to KDA drops.


Did I,mention doing executions I haven't paid for.

I really am going to be optimistic about season three. So far its looking like for the most part,I just have to assume my ancestry, faith, people was just another victim of exploitation via inclusiveness indoctrinations for a fast buck appeal to the masses of capitalism.

Live and learn right?

[Mia.Nora]

I am not going to discuss Centurion in current meta since it is bound to be gone soon(?). I will just point out the problems with in PTR changes;

1. Parry Punish: They need to significantly reduce stamina damage from that knee, also make it so that he doesn't get a free kick on top of it. Otherwise his parry play will outclass every other
class. (WL also needs that addressed)

2. Stamina Pool: His stamina pool is utter nonsense, has to be brought down to same level as everyone else. No other hero can maintain their successful offensive pressure as much as Centurion can maintain his failed one (with more stamina cost due to fail). With changes coming to OOS, he can not retain his stamina pool/consumption as is.

3. Stamina drain on normal attacks: This one has to go away completely. Stamina management should be on the player managing their own stamina with their own attacks, not other way around.

4. Chip Pressure due to Heavy>Soft GB: I don't know if anyone encountered that, but a Centurion who mixups his heavies with soft GB was real deadly in PTR. Simply put you have to sit there and take the chip as long as he keeps up the pressure, because you cant risk dodge attempts due to soft GB, neither parry attempts for both instant GB threat (0-100ms was enough for soft GB succeeding vs parry attempt), as well as his heavy timing being adjustable you cant do it with motor reflexes the way you do vs other heroes.. He also doesn't care about his own stamina pool and can easily chip away a large chunk almost risk free. Heavy>soft GB needs to cost a lot more stamina to be less spammable.

For 4v4, they need to make it so that his 6 second stunlock (pin>jab>knockdown) is broken free (at any stage) if someone else attacks the target and problem will be mostly solved.

[Alustar.exe]

Okay, anger.... Not intended result. You may need some balancing as well.

Chill

Don't take it personal. To me you're just words. Likewise am I.

I'm not saying your bad or anything I just think because you play him there is a conflict of interest, and an unintionak bias.

I didn't think that in your thread post. Then you're response to me was where I gave my opinion.

Rhetoric? unfortunately even though stated facts with video evidence.

Trust me if I could. I would take my time dissecting centurion down to his empire. I just don't have the abilities to upload and edit videos to prove what the developers already know. I find it a waste of time.


Well if I'm rhetoric you be diatribe. Okay...?


Seriously don't get, upset. I'm only messing with you to some degree. I really am,not trying to start anything.

I think the proof is what upsets you not me. I gave my time in the game to prove my familiarity with it.

If the game gets to be unbearable. As loyal as I am I leave.

In not far from it as of now. I hate the idea of,needing and buffing. Quite, frankly,the project obviously needed more time in development and we the players are stuck in this wizard of oz scenario hoping to speak to the developers. When in reality this limbo we are all in when it comes to the game and the cause of a lot of arguments on this forum shouldnt be.

To ve honest this type of development is highly unprofessional in the eyes of commerce and the exchange of money for definitive goods or services.

Warlord glitches tonight. Rediculously slow then he speeds up then slow.

The poor guy is so fat that he catches every corner glitch and gets hung up unable to,move. Repetitive issue...leading to KDA drops.


Did I,mention doing executions I haven't paid for.

I really am going to be optimistic about season three. So far its looking like for the most part,I just have to assume my ancestry, faith, people was just another victim of exploitation via inclusiveness indoctrinations for a fast buck appeal to the masses of capitalism.

Live and learn right?

I'd like to know where someone gets off calling someone's biased when they have shown very little to indicate this through their posts, then when they take offense you tell them to calm down!? Dude you may not be trying, but you're trolling none the less. How about you listen to a little of Raime's posts a little and maybe you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Centurion as OP and out of your league.
And Raime don't bait into **** like this. I'm really sick of cheap **** half assed teenagers and kids sitting on these forums and calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a biased ubifanboy or claiming they have no skill because they play "X" character. I know the label put on Centurion players well, I'm a PK and we get as much, if not more because assassin classes. You just do you and do t bother with these asshats.