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I'm saying both. He needs a re-work and he's currently OP. He's absolutely not mid-tier. Anyone can play an orochi and spam their way to victory. You only need the basic skills to win. (guarding, dodging, timing attacks, etc.) There's no mind games, no faking out or dodging, guard-breaking and countering. It's just all about making your attack when they're not making theirs. It over simplifies everything so that you only need a basic grasp of the game. I mean, you can try to feint if you want but who's going to try to parry an orochi? Its just a bad move when your alternative is a 4 hit kill super fast light attack.Originally Posted by nyrue Go to original post
I don't get why you guys are against this. His light attack does 34 damage. 34! That's more than a partially charged conq's heavy! It's a light attack!
Seriously, this is not difficult. Light attacks should be fast attacks for small amounts of damage. NOT 34 FRIKING DAMAGE!
A character only needs one OP move to be OP. The orochi has that move. It makes the rest of his move set obsolete and encourages spamming. It should be nerfed.
Hmm, I'd maybe put him second on the list behind the raider. He was one of the original OP characters for a reason. Remember when the game first came out and almost everyone played orochi? Yeah, that's because he's a spam haven.
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I have nearly 700 hours logged in this game, and I can say that the orochi is absolutely mid tier, yes you can spam top lights and zone attack, but you can spam with almost any character. one match in particular stands out in my mind, I was fighting this orochi and he feinted top heavy at me 5 times before he threw out the top light and I still parried it and ended him, now i'm not saying I can parry the orochi perfectly but his attacks are in the realm of reactability and while I do believe there are characters that need attention atm I don't believe orochi is one of them
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Alright, so either you're the top 1% with reflexes faster than a computer processor, you're lying or you got really lucky that one time. Also, who feints 5 times in a row? That sort of spammy, scummy behaviour does sound like an orochi though so maybe you're not lying. :POriginally Posted by nyrue Go to original post
What character do you play Nyrue? I'm guessing it's not a shugoki, hahahaha.
I have to disagree. Both the orochi and the conqueror need looked at. Even though they're not new characters they've still got a lot of issues that need fixed.
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Oh cmon..the game isnt even a half year released and you talking about being a veteran, that just makes you sound like an 13 year old elitist dou*** who has seen nothing, anyway...Originally Posted by Duskmare Go to original post
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As you said yourself, all you gotta do is keep guard up and watch out for the zone, thats it. Since the majority of Orochi players cant deflect its mostly an easy win, coming from a ordinary Player who plays since open Beta too. And your complaints about he is too fast...sorry but go play for example Unreal Tournament on a competitive level if you wanna know what FAST is, you dont need hyper reflexes like a processor...just git gud
What class are you playing ?(Sorry for the brutal honesty) but it seems you just suck at the game and want all classes, who can do more than slow heavy attacks nerfed because YOU cant react to them...
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Veteran: a person who has had long experience in a particular field.Originally Posted by Sm0k3alot Go to original post
I've had experience in For Honor since it was released, so relatively that's enough to use the word veteran.
Your poor grasp of the English language and your apparent need to show people up "makes you sound like a 13 year old elitist dou*** who has seen nothing".
You mean, keep your guard up, watch for the zone attack and never attack yourself? The orochi's top light and zone attack are so fast they can interrupt almost any non-assassin character before they land a hit, even on reaction. Sure, you can punish the zone attack if you're fast enough to catch it, but even then they would just stop using it and start feinting, only to return to their top light spam the second you move your guard away. Not to mention how boring it is to play defensively. There's a reason people dislike the defence meta and I try not to propagate it.
I play conqueror. So admittedly I have a slower class than most which might suggest why I dislike the speed of the orochi's attacks, since they can interrupt pretty much anything I do unless I catch them off guard.
Would you mind keeping your baseless conjecture to yourself? You have no idea how good or bad I am at this game. You also aren't aware of my opinions on other classes.
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First of all:Well i do know what "Veteran" means, but half a year isn´t a LONG TIME, but your answer just proves my point that u are very young, but forget it....
second: If my english dont meet your standards and you feel so offended that you try to push the conversation away from the actual discussion and start bashing me and not my answer, then pls let us talk in french or german if you are more comfortable with that
third and most important: If you play aggressive against a assasin class, you deserve to die in most of the cases...period !
And a defense playstyle is boring ?? Why the **** play Conq then !?! I know some people wanna get rid of the "Turtle Meta", but i personally think that many of those people are players who want a simple button smasher, with no tactic at all, basically a 3D BeatemUp Game. And i dont think For Honor was planned as a casual "spam attacks till they or you die" game
So no reply from you about the speed, i guess thats where the cookie crumble, seems like you are not able to react correctly as i mentioned above. But its not that hard, thats all im trying to say. Keep your guard up (block incoming top lights) and be ready for the zone attack so be prepared to switch your guard to the right, forget that your left guard stance, in 90% of fights against orochis there will be no incoming left attack . With this simple trick you will defeat at least 60% of all Orochi players because you just have to react to the zone and maybe a couple of GB attempts (1 direction switch, and a button). And of course you attack, but wait for gaps, gb, throw them to a wall, use your shield as a conq , but dont go "I play a heavy defense class but i hate to play defensive and i think its unfair that a light assasin is faster"
It seems many players dont know one of the most important techniques in For Honor: learn to read your opponent. And if they lose, they blame the game, the connection, the class and anything else but they cant admit that the other player was maybe just better...
And no im not the uber hardcore pro streamer gamer, but when i lose i try to understand why i lost, and with that infos you will learn pretty fast.
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Ugh, I can't stand people like you. Just resorting to personal attacks rather than having a good natured discussion. Belittling other people so that it looks like their points are invalid. I'm not as inexperienced or "young" as you seem to think I am. My points are valid and you're just here trying to pretend you're better at the game than everyone else. No-one here is impressed with your blagging.Originally Posted by Sm0k3alot Go to original post
I play conqueror because he's fun to play. It's the character I first picked when playing and I know his moves best. I actually beat most people by playing aggressively too but I don't want to turn this into a **** waving contest of 'I got a KD THIS HIGH'.
I don't want a beatem-up game either. What I want if for offence and defence to be equally rewarding, rather than defence being highly favoured.
About the speed, you started talking about some other game so I lost interest.
Just because I play a heavy main doesn't mean I can't see which attacks are just fast and which attacks are too fast. The issue is that there are no gaps with the orochi. When you think there's a gap and begin your attack, he recovers and top lights you before you can hit him. (and yes, that's with a light attack).
"read your opponent"? This is a game. They have pre-set movements and the only indicator you get that they're going to go for a certain attack is the guard indicator that shows up when they attack. Other than that you just have to guess based on what attacks they've already used frequently so far and what attack they might use from the range they're at. It's just a guessing game if the attacks are too fast to react to.
