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    Shinobi Ranged Gb Exploit

    I'm not sure exactly how to do it, but it has happened to me several times before. Even though gb out of double dash was removed, Shinobi can somehow do a ranged gb out of double dash, giving him back his 50/50. Not only that, but since its a ranged gb, Shinobi can do his sickle rain combo after the gb.
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    Originally Posted by firehead2015 Go to original post
    I'm not sure exactly how to do it, but it has happened to me several times before. Even though gb out of double dash was removed, Shinobi can somehow do a ranged gb out of double dash, giving him back his 50/50. Not only that, but since its a ranged gb, Shinobi can do his sickle rain combo after the gb.
    You sure he's not doing a backflip and then a ranged GB, because that is a thing.
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    Nope. I just tested against issac and its executed by doing a double dash and then immediately pressing the heavy key followed by the gb key. I'm pretty sure this makes it untechable unless your Raider.
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    Originally Posted by firehead2015 Go to original post
    Nope. I just tested against issac and its executed by doing a double dash and then immediately pressing the heavy key followed by the gb key. I'm pretty sure this makes it untechable unless your Raider.
    Sounds like a valid part of his Moveset, but if the timing makes it impossible to react to maybe they need to look at slowing that down the same way they did with his normal GB.
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    i saw that on a sypherPK stream
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    ...I'm not sure if I want to disclose this, but...

    1. yes, it is a ranged GB

    2. no, it is not an exploit per se but more of an oversight on the part of devs

    3. ...and the "ranged GB from ddodge" is actually an application of a basic "exploit/tech" principle which originally people use to do the move displayed in the vid below. Some people got hold of this, and developed it further, making it possible to GB out of ddodge.



    This was one of the vids I tried to disclosr through CandleInTheDark's help, but just sent directly to the devs. Some ignoramus commented "what's so special about it? It's juse ddodge spamming" or something like that.

    If anyone things they can do this by just tapping on the dodge button quickly to ddodge in succession in this manner, be my guest. Try it.

    Normal ddodge respects the recovery time rules after the ddodge ends, and has to wait a bit before another one is possible. This doesn't.

    This phenomenon, is made possible, because there is a certain strange characteristic with the shinobi that causes an oddity "tech", during ddodge.


    In other words, when you get GBd by a shinobi when he does the ddodge, he's not just doing a normal GB, and the "fix" the devs did has no effect, because the devs assumed that shinobis were just quickly using GB right after a ddodge -- which they aren't... (which also indicates the devs didn't bother to look at the explanation/video report I've sent them via Candle about this particular shinobi exploit )
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    Now after reading this thread, I went and made a quick demonstration vid.


    This, is what the op is talking about.



    Again, it looks nothing special -- but then, most bug exploit "techs" are like this. It's not some crazy wild stuff all the time. Many exploits are subtle but effective, often difficult to tell apart from legit stuff, confusing people.

    I'll bet some people are thinking, "what's such a 'tech' about this? You just do a ddodge and use ranged GB". Well, anyone thinks so, I urge them to try it themselves and see if they can use a GB right at the end phase of ddodge without the kick coming out.


    It IS a sort of an exploit, yes, and some people consider this a "tech" -- I don't.

    It's the whole reason I contacted Candle to help[ me and send the warnings out to the devs during when my previous forum handle was locked out due to stupid spam filter malfunction. I guess my warnings fell on deaf ears, huh.
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    Its okay from that range, but it becomes a problem when a shinobi double dodges into kick range but then does the gb. When that happens, unless you are Raider, you get gb while recovering from the dodge.
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    Originally Posted by firehead2015 Go to original post
    Its okay from that range, but it becomes a problem when a shinobi double dodges into kick range but then does the gb. When that happens, unless you are Raider, you get gb while recovering from the dodge.
    Exactly. It's not range sensitive at all. I've just done it at range to show people that it's a ranged GB firing off, not a normal GB.

    Basically the shib players who know how to do this, just do it as a 50/50 like you mentioned, at close range.


    What;s even worse?

    I did a demonstration from a side dodge to give a clear look of how it fires off from a ddodge, but imagine in actual combat they show up from afar, making you feel you have plenty of range to prepare since they aren't using the ninja-dash to tackle you..

    ...and then suddenly close in over 15m distance in under 2 seconds in a blink of an eye with the quick-dash and then forcing you into react whether it's going to be a kick or a GB or just a normal attack.

    Or, it can be practically applied into other crazy moves ... like lingering at distance... and then suddenly closing it with quick-ddodging speeds, scares you into reaction and then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the side in a "L" pattern and punishes you on your reaction. It's not just a dodge forward - dodge forward - dodge side -- the entire 3 dodges come out in less than 2 seconds and what you see is the shinobi like 10 meters out, and then suddenly *woosh* *woosh* towards you at blinding speeds, and then as you are scared into reaction just cranks himself 90degrees to the side in another *woosh* at the same speed, like some greased pig running zig-zag.


    What I've shown you guys above is just the tip of the iceburg. Anything that's related with ddodging and ranged attacks can be done in any manner of ways in regards to basic maneuvering with the shib -- it's just done like twice as faster than you normally would expect them to do it.[/b]


    The only saving grace is that this "tech" is a lot more difficult than stuff like unlock techs that just futz with 1 button, and requires precision timing and a lot of practice -- but make no mistake -- the golden rule of PvP games is that "if it's possible, then there are always some freaks of nature that masters its use to incredible levels".
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